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New swf wolfie
Oct 4th, 2014 at 2:51am
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As i put up some ideas on the best swf druid idea, i had to test several things in curse of many many iconics to find out what i want to do.
Split stayed the same as i have said.
So far, i leveld from 1-20 in heroics and did couple ee solo chains while waiting for buddy to come back to game during weekend.
Simply put, i am so amazed by this build and its survival/dps that i need to share it.
Its simply not just a wolf build, but i can clearly say it is the best melle dps i have played in over 75 or so lifes on over.
Every build has its flaws and this ones only flaw is cc from steping into lv 25 base quests as lv 20 Wink
Not really a weakness but as levels are gained so will its survival and saves / sturdyness rise.

I saw couple complaints about new blitz mechanic, i will say in all honesty i havent had a single issue starting or keeping up blitz no matter the content. A simple dance of death and jump into 10 mobs does the job wonderfully.
PRr at 20 with blitz was a whole 175ish/more with tensors.
Once i cap to 28 and farm out some gear will post prscreens.

Anyways off to build.
As assumed i really like 10 druid 6 ranger 4 fighter split and i sticked with it.
Options to change it would be 11 druid 5 ranger 4 fighter, but i had the need for this feat setup.
Leveling doesnt really matter as in heroics you can more or less steam roll content anyways.

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Overvaan Blackheart
Level 28 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(4 Fighter \ 6 Ranger \ 10 Druid \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 497
Spell Points: 748
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 13
Will: 12

         Starting            Ending         
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats       
(36 Point)      (Level 1)         (Level 28)     
Strength             18                 32            
Dexterity            12                 19            
Constitution         16                 23            
Intelligence         14                 21            
Wisdom                8                 15            
Charisma              8                 15       


+4 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 19
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 20
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Level 1 (Druid)
(Selected) Empower Healing Spell
(Human Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 2 (Druid)
(Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf


Level 3 (Druid)
(Selected) Single Weapon Fighting

Level 4 (Druid)


Level 5 (Druid)


Level 6 (Druid)
(Selected) Completionist

Level 7 (Druid)

Level 8 (Druid)


Level 9 (Druid)
(Selected) Natural Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)
(Fighter Bonus) Improved Single Weapon Fighting

Level 11 (Fighter)
(Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 12 (Ranger)
(Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
(Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)
(Selected) Greater Single Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Druid)


Level 20 (Fighter)
(Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 21 (Epic)
(Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critica


Level 22 (Epic)

Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
(Selected) Natural Fighting


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
(Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
(Selected) Natural Fighting


Level 28 (Epic)
(Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike


 



Without planer, human
Progression: 1-9 druid, 9-12 fighter, 12-18 ranger, 18-19 druid, 19-20 fighter.
Stats: 18 12 16 14 8 8 level ups into str
Feats: 1 empower healing, quicken: 3 swf;  6 completionist: 9 natural; 12 maximize; 15 patack /can be taken earlier does not matter is just a layout; 18 greater singe weapon fighting; 21 oc crit; 24 natural; 27 natural.
Fighter feats: impr critical blud; impe swf; greater 2 weapon fight.
Edest feats; perfect 2 weapon fight and whatever for 2nd, i prefer holy strike/first blood or cc remove thing. Also could pick hellball or something for lols since int isnt dumped.

Skills, max umd heal balance spot and whatever

Ap wise i didnt want to edit stupid colors in planer, its basically fatall harrier stance upgrades stance mov speed, hum damage boost, int dmight, t5 dance of death only 1 rank


This is setup i run on over atm.
Dance of death is simply a must have, you will never be able not to have 10 stacks if properly used.
Selfhealing is absurd with cocoon/gr vigor and 3 cures + card pots.
Defense is stupid, i had 1000 hp and 145 prr unblitzed at 20 with only past lifes/harmor and guardian ring.
Blitzed and with tensors it can reach up to 185.

Destiny dreadnought, spend ap however you wish and pick up a special strike based on weapon you plan to use /i pick anvil.
Twists require some work, mine are
sense, balanced, legendary shield mastery and cocoon.
If you dont have acess to 4 3 2 1 setup then drop shield mastery for brace for fortification or dragonhide.
If no epic completionist then sense/balanced cocoon.

Weapon : whatever you prefer and based on sp attack if any in dreadnough, orb with devotion.Take note that i alse abuse the new harper int dmight so a int item is welcome as well.
There is no harper in new planer so the lefotver points go there to get it to t2 for 1 minute duration.
As i plan to use libram that works wonderfully for me.
lv 28 edest feat could be swaped depending on what you prefer, neg levels with first blood, holy strike, or the cc remove thing which would not realy be needed once levels are gained.
I assume my hp will end up around 1500 and prr around 200ish when im fully geared and leveld up.
Last wolf life i did wgu around 29 or minutes, pretty sure i can break 20 with this build

.....//////
Super lazy to edit whole post so il just write here.
During a patch they nerfed know the angles so it doesnt work atm for wolf or im not sure if for melle at all since it only adds ranged damage at effects window.
What that did is force me to change build.
I take 18 con and str and 12 dex now, take sprint boost from ranger and haste boost/damage boost from dreadnought. I get a point in thousand cuts and more amp.

At a latter point in the thread i posted pscreens of how i spend ap and how it does in tor /when i famed for optics for wizz life tests.







Layout:
googs: glimpse
Head: mythic gaze
Neck: Abbot neck
Trinket: Ep litany
Cloack: addie cloack of wolf
Gloves: Aboot deadly 11 ones
Bracers: conva of parry
Boots: Inoccent
Ring 1: ee consuming
Ring 2: Anvi seal
Weapon thfr touch of flames drag edge mortal hammer
And a stacks shorsword for vulner
Off hand: libram
Armor: hplate shscale with dr
Belt: ragers now but will swap ragers and epic thoughtful

There are other options but i found most comfort in this one
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Re: New swf wolfie
Reply #1 - Oct 4th, 2014 at 3:16am
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i'd look, but you have those text format tags everywhere and that shit is impossible to read.
  
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rest wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 3:16am:
i'd look, but you have those text format tags everywhere and that shit is impossible to read.


Will write in row somewhat after planer junk. Could also add planer to main forums and put link here.
  
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Re: New swf wolfie
Reply #3 - Oct 4th, 2014 at 12:25pm
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Lelouch wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 2:51am:
If you dont have acess to 4 3 2 1 setup

Shocked  Fight club or mistake?
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 4th, 2014 at 12:32pm
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Var wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 12:25pm:
Shocked  Fight club or mistake?


Requires nearly triple epic completionist Wink
Some people dont have enough time or will to get so many epic past lifes
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:07am
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What's maximized for?

Any reason you're not using cleaves?

Oh, and what's quicken for?
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Reply #6 - Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24am
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NOTdarth wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:07am:
What's maximized for?

Any reason you're not using cleaves?

Oh, and what's quicken for?


Greater vigor, cures, cocoon.
The faster i cast em the less time i lose to attack.
Cure critical and ser hit me for 400-500 /dreadnought 400 crusader 500ish with only 30 amp item/ hp so without metas it wouldnt be such amazing sefheal.
Cleaves are utter garbage since they mess up attack animation and dance is alone enough aoe. If cleaves could double proc on offhand and main and if dstrike was affecting em i would consider, but anything with slower atack animation simply isnt good.
Caped to 28, went into eorch soloed ee vol/flesh/inferno all under 15 minutes in crusader /need divine xp for last divine past life. /blitz is main destiny i rly hate crusader since its bad for this build. Beside selfheal blitz is superior in any sense since on this you keep stacks at 10 non stop and the bonus helpless damage while boosted.. balanced. Enough said?

What i noticed is, i hate quells sooo hate.
Tried ghost, didnt wipe at liches, jumped down got quelled til i got mad and now farming fucking googles to do that one as well.
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Reply #7 - Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:59am
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For such a heavy armored build it seems to me you're in need of too much heals if you need all that healing; what's your PRR/MRR at?
  

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Reply #8 - Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:14am
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200 prr 100 mrr in current twist setup. Usually its 215 100.
But thing is, i like to pull red alert in ee Wink
Need all those heals when i have 10 vampires and god knows what and orange-red in vol.
Or in that one in wheloon with villagers.
I just stand there pressing cocoon and vigor sometimes cures and massacring em.
I wouldnt drop any of the metas.
And there really arent better feats to pick anyways.
I got all combat feats i need, all defense feats via metas that i need.
Only thing that could be done is to pick precision beside patack, but the w from patack dreadnought is why i take that feat initially.
For enecro only item id call is a must have is new wisdom googs with interception ward.
Im still figuring gear layout, need to check the light damage gloves and gathering em slowly.
Basically its friend controling loot bots while i zerg ees
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Re: New swf wolfie
Reply #9 - Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:29am
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Lelouch wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24am:
Tried ghost, didnt wipe at liches, jumped down got quelled til i got mad and now farming fucking googles to do that one as well.

Goggles on EN first trip in Inferno.  I just had to gloat/brag.
  
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Biggest thing that bothers me is lack of stunning fist and deflect arrows. Heavy armor compensates for lack of evasion...

Have you tried the build in the new raid yet? Arrows are the thing that's most annoying there unles you have dedicated CCers
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:22am
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NOTdarth wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:49am:
Biggest thing that bothers me is lack of stunning fist and deflect arrows. Heavy armor compensates for lack of evasion...

Have you tried the build in the new raid yet? Arrows are the thing that's most annoying there unles you have dedicated CCers

Didnt yet, waiting for googs heh.
When we first timed on eh en and ee on cannith i was kinda mesmerized by how much quell can hurt and didnt get why they disable bf recon sla..
Deflect arrows would be ok with ranger upgrade. But il assume that il be able to keep paltform clean of archers.
Was thinking how to 2-3 man it, so far only way i found is for me to be a monkcher in dcrusader and keep main platform somehow under control.
Doable, quite hard and will be fun, but doable on en.
Also im considering what to do as wolf, kinda want blitz, but dcrusader cuz of encase.
Will decide once i get googs which could also be used as end gear slot. Currently running with ee shadowsight that gives me apsolutely nothing beside sp from wisdom.
About stunning fist, honestly i dont miss it the slightest, when i hit dboost/damage boost and dance everything is under control in front of me and cc-s from balanced or dead before it has a chance to swing at me.

Friend that is douing with me asked me to upload vids on of this so that people see how it really is.
Issue is i kinda dont want this to be to spread since people dont know how strong it is.
If i make vids or speed records i will only mention it and maybe send via pm.
Time will tell
Im also planing for 1 and half year to swap to 64 bit system to be able to box properly again..
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Reply #12 - Oct 6th, 2014 at 2:11pm
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Lelouch wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:14am:
googs with interception ward.

Doesnt work against the deathknights with intercession aura.
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 6th, 2014 at 6:51pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 2:11pm:
Doesnt work against the deathknights with intercession aura.

That sucks. Is that a programming oversight/bug?
  

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Is that a programming oversight/bug?

Not one to be fixed.  prob a happy mistake.
  
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 2:11pm:
Doesnt work against the deathknights with intercession aura.


Hm thats not good, theirs tho doesnt last 30 seconds and you can jump into water or bounce aggro.
Still tho, should stop.. Dammit turbine
  
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Etrd but when i did i rememberd you culd long time ago negate abbots inferno somewhat with quench.
Wonder if it works/i know of safe spots but just want to do it, be all pro in mid while all spread like ants to seek safe spot.
1 wolf to rule, 1 wolf above them all

also yea you can cocoon and pot thro that.
But i was impatient in vol first ee run, pulled red just like in heroic and managed to bring it down to no alert.
Did same for other side since i felt confident.
Bum intercepted bum red cant use vigor cant use cures, pot and cocoon not enough.
Sweared like a tard. Was near shrine so i recoverd but i had couple deaths trying to kill that stupid quell while being intercepted every time i ress while having red alert

Funny thing i did many inferno runs and asked buddy to run boxes with me.
So a total of 8 lists and 8 inferno runs with full party dedicated to pass loot to me..
I didnt get it.
Really like how every single bot of ours had it on list.. Sigh

Another silly thing that came up to mind is primal.
There are 2 things i want to test in that destiny, since it gives me 1 crit multiplifer 3% more damage and melle power now it became suddenly very good.
Things i want and need to test are:
Do i have evasion when i pick t5 while weaing h armor?
Asummption is no, but you never know with turbine.
2nd is, when i pick stormrage and gain deflect arrows from it, would that work with ranger deflect arrows upgrade?
Assumption is yes, but yet again who knows.
Got like 1 mil divine xp to go then il swap back to primal since fury and shiradi suck for wolf. Esp fury now that im stanced.
Also i remember from long time ago that summer smoke breaks effects on weapons, did they fix that?
Summer smoke/chill of winter, 25% incorpo source.. All i can say it might have good synergy now.
Would put me a bit back with twists tho, proly sense/shield thing/grim precision and hmm maybe brace
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Reply #18 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 6:41am
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What do you pick up from Tempest though?
The whole tree is pretty shitty since none of it (except attack clickies) works in wolf form...
  

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Love this build concept mate, hate to copy it even though it sounds tight.

I can't help but wonder what a 9Druid/11Ranger split would look like to take some advantage of full TWF, IPS, Manyshot?

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Lower MRR/PRR but with Evasion, More Ranged, Off-Hand procs, Skill Points.

Also kinda tired of running in Fury (even though it works) grinding Primal Sphere PLs on my 2Ftr/6Cleric/12Ranger Tempest Warpriest.  Have been eyeballing Primal but havn't tried it out yet, probably should even for Esses and Gees.
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Reply #20 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 7:17am
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NOTdarth wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 6:41am:
What do you pick up from Tempest though?
The whole tree is pretty shitty since none of it (except attack clickies) works in wolf form...


haste boost eats alot ap, strenghts, then im considering to take deflect arrows in case it works with stormrage.
Then uhm...
Critical accuracy and critical damage, growing storm.
More or less those are only good ones, but to trade all that for growing storm and dance is good for me.
Growing stacks 10 times lasts 15 seconds, you get it maxed stacked in 1 second and keep the 10 damage for free, think anyone would like that. For dance i pick only t1 since i dont think that the w increase does much as wolf and costs 6 ap fully ranked.
I just pick growing maxed haste boost and dance t1 as high priority picks.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 7:28am
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Mokune wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 7:02am:
PSWF

PSWF works with wolf form?
  

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NOTdarth wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 7:28am:
PSWF works with wolf form?


Last time i tested it was before new swf and it didnt work.
Il test this etr and can say here.
IS a fast grind to 28 get shield feats since i reseted sentinel by mistake life Wink
  
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Mokune wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 7:02am:
I can't help but wonder what a 9Druid/11Ranger split would look like to take some advantage of full TWF, IPS, Manyshot?


I have something simmilar currently, 9/9/2mnk but it feels squishy as fuck.
It's the SD and heavy armor that really gives it a fuckton of survivability, while you're not sacrificing any of the attack speed and damage.

Besides, with the swf attack speed you'll never bother being out of form to use manyshot.
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 8:03am
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Are you spending AP up to tier 4 stalwart for 6 con/str? Is that really worth more than a 11/6/3 split for manyshot when compared against each other? Im not a fan of it either, but being so close to it, might as well pick it up over 12th druid level, or 4th fighter level.

Assuming this build wont go into tier 4 Nature's Warrior then maybe points spent into Harper would be better.

14 ap picking up know the angles, and 6 melee power which you cannot really get anywhere else.

13 into stalwart for greater stance benefits.

13 in Nature's Warrior for harrier.

36 in Tempest for 1000 cuts and dance of death.

2 in human for damage boost, tier 1 hamp.

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