5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 12:42am:

Pally for higher saves or FTR for the feats.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 1:07am:


I'd have to test to be certain. But I remember slow ass EK cleaves last time I messed around in zombie form. No idea on shuriken.

Stick build. 12 monk/7 wiz/ 1 rogue

Rubbinns wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 3:09am:


Hmmm...

Serious trash killing potential with triple stacked negative level procs on a 19-20 vorpal from PSWF.

I would go wiz/bard with a fighter splash for SWF though. Swash>Kensei.

7+wiz/3+bard/3 fighter for vampire
12 wiz/5bard/3fighter for wraith form

Rubbinns wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 4:15am:


Stalwart stance will hit 1k hp easy.

Been think more about a Vampire Pally build. Here's what I've come up with:

8 Wizzy - PM in Vampire form and 4th level spells. Sure he's pretty Light-vulnerable but get tier 3 Cloak of Night enhancement (reduces Light damage by 50%/increases Negative energy effects on you by 50%) and Epic Phiarlan Mirror Cloak (30 pts Light Resist) and you should be ok. Extend Displacement will be super important.

6 Monk - Ninja Spy for shortsword ki weapon and Shadow Veil (for 25% incorporealness). Also evasion.

6 Pally - KotC obvs, better saves. Will lay on hands work on you?

As far as race, thinking BF for Communion of Scribing (self healing) assuming it works in Undead form. If not, go human for the extra feat or Drow for the extra shortsword damage and +2 to DEX, INT and CHA.

Definitely DEX as your main stat followed by CON and CHA. Also will need a little INT for skill/spell points.

Weaponry - Thunderforged shortsword or Celestia. In other hand, use an Orb like Libram of Silver Magic (slot this with a Reconstruct 138 or Nullification 138 augment depending whether you're a BF or a fleshie).

Definitely take the SWF line.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Ok.


Munkenmo wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Ugh. Thanks.


Munkenmo wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

So take SWF and TWF feat lines? They work "together"? If that's the case, change 6 Pally levels to 6 FTR levels. You'll need the feats. Use the Kensei path of enhancements too.

Arkat wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:


Sorry I didn't phrase that well.

Given that SWF with monk levels forces you to have an empty off hand  I don't think SWF is a good option. Imo it's better to instead pick up the TWF feats and fight unarmed.

Perhaps the value of undead is a bit overstated.  Cetus did manage to solo GoP on a pure paladin, although there were some close moments and it did take him 10 tries. 

I feel that the benefits of undead form are highly content specific, although so are the downsides.  I wouldn't worry about light damage in vampire form, because I think there is literally zero light damage in U23.  But I don't see any benefit outside of the heavy undead content of current end game, and I don't think U24 will be bringing undead content. 

Dont know, i did all necros so far on my druid build. (solo or  with scaling)
No undead form nothn, gop was tiring as fuck tho.
Fucking con drain, need to spam resto pots like a idiot.
And outside of that 1 quest that was more tedious and annoying nothing really is hard in that pack.
I got no idea how much prr you can get on a bard swasch, but in all honesty i always hated them and ignored join requests /yes bard hater forevaaa/.
If i was to play a proper melle, i would most definitely go with some kind palie harmor thing and totaly ignore evasion exists in this game.
Example i did prove on ee with buddy, we 2manned, i was so rdy to die in drop, ff on and slow fall..
I survived traps with prr alone and 1 pop of cocoon, and no im not pro at evading spikes, actually i think i manged to hit every single one while trying to evade em.
I didnt play a pale form since that deathblock with more neg amp was added to game.
Plan to do a pm life for fun since i have helm and litany, want to be a scumbagish fingerer.
Question, can the low tier aura and burst from a low levell wiz splash manage the selfheal for ee as melle?
I dont know personally and didnt try, but it just feels to weak to me on a nonheavyarmor prr build

Revaulting wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 7:09am:


Zombie form breaks every animation. Everyone should roll a PM just to look at the tumble and /dance and lol.

I have never tried fighting in Zombie form. Are special attacks also slowed? Can multiple cleaves/special attacks and/or twitching help with the attack speed penalty?

How bad would be a 15/5 pal/wiz with the minimalist option to take zombie form for 6 ap when appropriate? relying mostly on cocoon's temp HP to keep you from losing your undead HP. wiz 5 is also 2 feats, magical training, and an extra cleave; possibly 1min extended displacement (does not have a somatic component so it should be castable in heavy armor without investing into ASF reduction).

Revaulting wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 7:09am:

Yeah I was going to mention it could be beneficial in some ways and places but I haven't checked on live in a loooong time so my info is probably outdated.