Not Barbuckler?

The real power houses are going to be caster druids after the huge unique buff elemental forms just received.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:41pm:

I looked at the supposed "buffs" to the elemental forms but I failed to catch anything very significant in those changes. Can you point out any that make you feel they'll be "power houses?"

Arkat wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:43pm:


I think that was meant as sarcasm, given that the bonuses are almost a direct copy of sorcerer elemental forms ;o

AtomicMew wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:49pm:

Ah. That makes MUCH more sense. Thanks.

Rubbinns wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 12:02am:


16monk/4fighter doesn't get sprint boost.

That build is probably better off as a 15monk/4paladin/1fighter anyhow.

Personally I don't see the appeal in a Swashbarian (bare with me, I'm going on paper here, i've not been able to log into lam to test things).

First obviously swashbuckler = bard levels.
Second given the feat requirements to make the swashbuckler I want I've gotta pick up fighter levels.
Third. If I'm going fighter on a S&B build I'm sure as hell picking up tier 3 in vanguard.

Now on a SWF toon with +35% combat style bonus to attack speed... I don't really want to be breaking my attack chain for cleaves.

So, I'm left looking at a build with great single target dps that's forced to wear light armor....   Nothing in the new barb trees looks like a better match than rogue.

I can see thf and 2wf barbs gaining some survivability and some dps out of this pass. However as far as SWF characters go, I only see barb as viable, not optimal.

Imo the flavor of the month in u24 will not shift from paladins unless there are further improvements to the barb trees.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 12:49am:


As i know since enchan pass you can pick sp boost from ranger with only 1 ranger level.
Bug or whatever no idea, i know im still using 1 ranger splash for sp boost /strictly on the part fastest moving build

So my guess is 15 monk for base mov speed 4 fighter for stance move and 1 ranger for sp boost

Rubbinns wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 1:26am:


Vanguard and SWF combat styles bonuses don't stack? Guess I can make do with 4 fighter then.

Rubbinns wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 3:26am:


That sucks, im used to feats / enhancements stacking.

Im aware of shields being inconpatible with swf outside of swash buckling, and the requirements for swashbuckling. It's precisely why I said I dont think barb will usurp fighter/rogue as the ideal swash splits.

He probably just used a handaxe. Theyre pretty good on swashbucklers, particularly in legendary dreadnaught.

I was pointing out handaxe / shield mastery swashbucklers ages ago.  They were strong on release and have been buffed since then.

+10% movement speed now
vanguard tree.

Skirmisher didnt work with medium or heavy armor when it first came out (believe me I tried, swapping, relogging resetting enhancements etc.)  Id guess your friend just had an armor kitted swashbuckler?

Rubbinns wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 12:02am:

4 ftr - Swift Defense 10%
1 barb - Fast Movement 10%
15 bard, T2 SB - Fast Movement 15%
T5 Warchanter - Expeditious Chant 15% (typed Action Boost, always on)
T2 Warchatner - AB Sprint 50%

I'll have to check how those are typed to see what stacks, unless somebody already checked and can chime in. Clearly the regular T2 Action Boost Sprint shouldn't stack with the T5 but idk about the Swashbuckler Fast Movement.