Sireth vs TF -- Sireth is the clear choice here right? Which means black dragon armor for the pierce, unless there is another option.

Centered vs Light Armor vs Heavy Armor -- This one I'm not sure at all, all seem to provide decent benefits, and I'm lost on how effective certain ones are. Centered gets me evasion, stances, ki strikes, and 1.5 weapon die(does this even add a decent amount of damage?). Light gives me all the benefits of the rogue tree, mostly a really good dodge score, but also the ability to make use of evasion. Heavy gives me a solid use of a paladin splash, making full use of their defender tree, essentially a massive increase in PRR/MRR +6 con/+20% HP but at the same time I lose evasion.

Class specifics -- Rogue seems to diminish after 12 on the core tree, while 18 and 20 are mildly useful, they seem very tedious to keep up and in my mind likely don't make up what a splash gives me access to. 13 is a key number I guess, gives me another feat, but it's not super important. As for splashes, Paladin gives me a shit load of saves, ability to leverage cha into strength, heavy armor prof if I choose to go that route. Problem is I'm not sure how good centered/light armor is, and it seems like such a waste to splash higher than 2 and not make use of the 6 con/20% HP. Monk gives me the centered option, some extra feats, but nothing too valuable that I can see. Fighter is a poor version of paladin. Druid for harrier?

If I were you, I would start by looking here.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435435-Zeus-God-of-Thunder-and-Lightni...

May not be were you end up, but this thread has a lot of useful info.

Here you go:


Class Split: 18 Rogue / 2 Monk (1: Monk; 2-7: Rog; 8 Monk; 9-20 Rog)

Race: Human


Abilities:

Str: 30/34-- (15 base +6 tome +2 Completionist +1 GoTIB +2 Profane +2 ship +2 Lasting / +4 Tenser’s)

Dex: 58 / 64 -- (18 base +6 tome +7 Levels +2 completionist +1 Enh +11 item +2 insight +1 GoTIB +2 insight +2 profane +2 ship +2 lasting +4 Stance / +4 Tenser’s +2 Yugo)

Con: 42/46 -- (14 base +6 tome +2 completionist +3 ED +10 item +2 insight +1 GoTIB +2 profane +2 Ship +2 lasting / +4 Tenser’s)

Int: 38 -- (13 base +6 tome +2 completionist +1 GoTIB +8/11 Item +2 Insight +2 ship +2 Lasting)

Wis: 34 -- (9 base +6 tome +2 completionist +8 item +1 GoTIB +2 profane +2 insight +2 ship +2 lasting)

Cha: 33 -- (8 base +6 tome +2 completionist +1 GoTIB +2 profane +2 ship +2 lasting)


Feats:

Passive Past Life: Paladin x3, Monk x3, Ranger x3, Rogue x3, Completionist, PDK x3

Epic Past Life: Doublestrike x3, Brace x3, Colors x3, Weapon x3, PoL&D x3, Deflect Energy x1

Base: Cleave (1), Dodge (1), Completionist (3), Adept of Forms (6), Improved Two Handed Fighting (9), IC: Bludgeoning (12), Master of Forms (15), Grand Master of Forms (18), Overwhelming Critical (21), Improved Sneak Attack (24), Greater Two Handed Fighting (27)

Destiny: Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (26), Perfect Two-Handed Fighting (28)

Rogue: Opportunist (12), Defensive Roll (15), Slippery Mind (18)

Monk: Power Attack (1), Two Handed Fighting (8)


Skills:

Disable Device: 101 (23 ranks + 8 epic +2 completionist +4 tome +15 Int mod +3 Luck +4 morale +1 profane +1 PL +20 item +5 enhanced +6 exceptional +3 guild +7 tools)

Search: 118 [98 on sheet] (23 ranks + 8 epic +2 completionist +5 tome +15 Int mod +3 Luck +4 morale +1 profane +1 PL +20 item +5 enhanced +6 exceptional +3 guild +1 insight (find traps scroll +20 roll))

Open Lock: 110 (22 ranks + 8 epic +2 completionist +4 tome +25 dex mod +3 Luck +4 morale +1 profane +20 item +5 enhanced +6 exceptional +3 guild +7 tools)

Bluff: 84 (23 ranks + 8 epic +2 completionist +4 tome +11 Cha mod +2 Luck +4 morale +1 profane +20 item +3 guild +6 exceptional)

UMD: 69 (23 ranks + 8 Epic + 3 tome +2 completionist +11 Cha mod +2 luck + 4 morale +1 Profane +1 PL + 5 item +3 guild +6 exceptional)

Heal: 74 (23 ranks + 8 Epic + 4 tome +2 completionist +12 Wis mod +2 luck + 4 morale +1 Profane +15 item +3 guild)

Jump: 40 [no buffs] (6 ranks + 8 Epic + 4 tome +2 completionist +10 Str +2 luck +1 Profane +4 Exceptional +3 guild)

Tumble: 57 (4 ranks + 8 Epic + 4 tome +2 completionist +25 Dex mod +2 luck + 4 morale +1 Profane +4 Exceptional +3 guild)

Balance: 72 (19 ranks + 8 Epic + 4 tome +2 completionist +25 Dex mod +2 luck + 4 morale +1 Profane +4 Exceptional +3 guild)


Enhancements:


Harper (11 ap)

C: Agent of Good (1)

I: Harper Enchantment (2), Traveler's Toughness II (2)

II: Know the Angles III (3), Versatile Adept III (3)


Rogue: Assassin (21 ap)

C: Knife in the Darkness (1), Dagger in the Back (1), Assassin’s Trick (1), Nimbleness (1),

I: Sneak Attack Training (2), Faster Sneaking II (2),

II: Sneak Attack Training (2), Damage Boost III (3), Venomed Blades III (3)

III: Sneak Attack Training (2), Dex (2), Critical Mastery I (1)


Rogue: Thief-Acrobat (45 ap)

C: Staff Control (1), Stick Fighting (1), Tumbler (1), Kip Up (1), Cartwheel Charge (1)

I: Acrobat Staff Training (2), Thief Acrobatics III (3), Fast Movement (2)

II: Acrobat Staff Training (2), Quick Strike III (6), Haste Boost III (3)

III: Acrobat Staff Training (2), Improved Glancing Blows III (3), Sweeping Strikes III (3)

IV: Acrobat Staff Training (2), Improved Defensive Roll III (3), Staff Lunge I (1)

V: Acrobat Staff Training (2), Staff Specialization (2), Vault (2), Spinning Staff Wall (2)



Human: (3 ap)

C: Human Versatility: Damage (1)

I: Improved Recovery (2)

Core Stats:

HP: 859 Standing | 943 self-buffed

Positive Spell Power: 297 (138 Devotion + 45 Implement +74 heal skill +25 Ardor potion (Alchemical) +15 guild)

Healing Amp: 315% ((30 pally PLs + 60 Shroud + 40 Bracers +45 Exceptional +20 guild +20 Human) +100) / 100

Average Healing: Large Silver Flame: 788 hp | Cocoon: ~164hp | Sovereign (Anniversary/Store) Pot: 410hp + 123 hp per tick

Incorp: 10%

Max Dodge: 38 (25 base +5 Spinning Staff +6 TA +2 Airship)

Dodge: 31% standing; 38% max - (10% item +5% Imp Uncanny +5% Spinning Staff +3% Unearthly Reactions +3% Dodge +2% Mobile +10% Nimbleness +4% Centered)

PRR: 94 (144 w/ SSW) / 48% (59%) mitigation (+30 sheltering +21 Divine ETRs +9 PDK PL +30 Blitz +4 Armor)

MRR: 59 / 35% Mitigation (30 Sheltering +25 Insight +4 Armor)

Total Mitigation: 85.6% (Displacement) | 78.4 % (Standing) | 71.2% (no concealment)

Defensive Roll: 79% chance to reduce damage by 50% when below 50% health.

Fort: 215% (150 Item + 40% brace for impact +15% ship)


Saves:

Fort: 59 (9 Base +4 Epic +18 Con +4 Morale +11 Resistance +2 Luck +1 Competence +3 Guild +4 Insightful +3 Brace)

Ref: 79 (14 Base +4 Epic +27 Dex +4 Morale +11 Resistance +2 Luck +1 Competence +3 Guild +4 Insightful +6 Unearthly Reactions +3 Brace)

Will: 52 (59 vs enchantment spells) (8 Base +4 Epic +12 Wisdom +4 Morale +11 Resistance +2 Luck +1 Competence +3 Guild +4 Insightful +3 Brace|| +4 Raging Focus +2 Bard PL)


Epic Destiny –Legendary Dreadnought

I: Extra Action Boost III (3), Con (2)

II: Momentum Swing III (3), Improved Power Attack (2), Con (2)

III: Lay Waste (1), Critical Damage III (3), Con (2)

IV:

V: Devasting Critical (2), Advancing blows (2)

VI: Masters Blitz (2)

Twists: Wild Weapons (4) or Grim Precision (3), Dance of Flowers (1), Unearthly Reactions or Brace for Impact (1), Cocoon (1)


Gear:

Trinket: Epic Litany [eldrich saves ritual] (Green: Good Luck +2|Blue/Yellow: +8 Wis)

Head: Dragon Masque (Yellow: Draconic Soul Gem | Colorless: Globe of True Imperial Blood )

Neck: Shroud of the Ardent (Green: Golem’s Heart| Blue/Yellow: +2 iWis)

Goggles: Epic Mentau’s (Green: +2 iDex |Yellow: Blindness Immunity)

Bracers: HA 40 of Superior Parry

Body: ToEE Robe (Blue: False Life 40)

Cloak: Mysterious Cloak: 45 HA and 25 MRR (Green: Colorless: ) | Swap prismatic Cloaks

Ring: Cannith Crafted: Mobile Ring of True Seeing (Yellow: +2 iCon |Colorless: Vitality 20)

Ring: Health 10 or Dodge 10%

Boots: Epic Boots of the Innocent (Green: +8 Cha | Blue: +2 iCha)

Gloves: EE Backstabbers (Yellow: +8 Int)

Belt: Battlerager’s harness (Green: 250 Spell points)

Quiver: Epic Quiver of Alacrity

Weapon: Thunder Forged Q-Staff Touch of Flames/Dragon’s Edge/Mortal Fear (Orange: Meteoric Star Ruby | Red: Devotion 138 | Colorless: Heal +15) Or Sireth


DPS Calcs: Single Target only, not factoring in Momentum Swing or Special Attacks


DPS Thunder Forged: ~5,097 Blitz | ~5,760 MP boosted | 6,567 Haste+MP

DPS Sireth: ~5,795 Blitz | ~6,623 MP boosted | 7,590 Haste+MP


Weapon: (with mods): +18 7.75[1d6] 17-20x3|19-20x5 Thunder Forged Quarterstaff: Touch of Flames/Dragon’s Edge/Mortal Fear (Orange: Meteoric Star Ruby; Red: 138 Devotion; Colorless: +15 heal)

Weapon: (with mods): +12 6.25[1d10] 13-20x3|19-20x5 Sireth, Spear of the Sky (Red: 138 Devotion)



Melee Power: 136 (24 Epic power + 18 LD Cores + 70 Blitz + 6 Combat Style +5 Assassin cores +10 Tier V Acrobat Training +3 Harper)

Damage Mod: 115 / 109 for Sireth (+17 / +11 weapon + 11 deadly + 4 profane +45 Str +10 Power Attack +1 Divine Favor +2 Alchemical +5 Advancing Blows +3 monk +2 Guild (Hobgoblin)

Fortification Bypass: 75% standing | 90% when needed (25% Assassin's Trick +35% Dragons Edge +10% Opportunist +5% Airship | +15% Grim Precision)

Double Strike: 84% (25% quick strikes (10 sec out of 12) +3% Opportunist +5% Perfect TWF +9 Epic PL +12% Item +20% TA Cores +10% GMoA)

Seeker: 25 (10 Seeker +2 exc seeker +6 airship +6 ED +1 Assassin)

SA damage: 72.5 per swing (15 dice +3 past lives +8 SA +9 iSA)
Deception proc: ~77.68% (+10% improved deception) ^~14.2 swings per 4 sec window) – 3.56 swings per sec

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Only issue with that is without 2 Pally, your saves (and Defensive roll %) are going to be fairly poor unless you are dex focused.  Also, the extra feat is a nice boost.

I have made some slight changes to that build after playing around with it at lvl 28 (dropped ISA and picked up GTHF was the big one) and changed some gear around (sticking with planar conflux set for the time being.. 15 PRR is helpful and no DPS loss)

Posted the updated build a few hours ago here:  https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/459818-Centered-Thief-Acrobat

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Killer from Assassin doesn't stack with quick strikes (both are Morale bonuses)

And no, Lethality doesn't work with sticks

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I run a 80 Reflex save.. if I swapped over and went Str based with DM I would lose 7 or so points in reflex saves and 3% standing dodge.  Also, Sweeping Strikes now is very good.. I would lose DC's on that as well.

The only gain I would get would be a very minor boost to dps and the ability to use Titan cookies for a little more dps when needed.

Imo it is not worth the trade off.  the extra 7% chance that defensive roll doesn't proc when I need it to is not worth the ~1-2% dps increase.

As always though.. ymmv

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Ash wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

Well, for example the +8 dmg you would be getting from dm also scales will melee power and helplessness. It can easily become 30 . I like having more dps and 70+ reflex is more than enough imo.

Ash wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

Nah, you just need 42 Cha (you can get more) which is easy to acquire when you start off with 16 at character creation. No Cookies needed.

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Just tanked a EE Deathknight with it and the build did just fine.

I wouldn't want to tank one in a bad group (where I end up with 2-3 deathknights) but he handled one Deathknight very well..

Not to shabby for a centered rogue

For strenght based at least.
I personally would do a 18 rogue 1 druid 1 monk simply because 1 w and rams outscale dmight due to mythic gaze that alrdy gives 4 str that is equal to 18 char, rams alone is worth 2 str and 2 damage which is same as lets say 12 charisma (2 str is 4 and 2 damage is same as 4 str so yea), then you also get benefits of shilly for lv 20 evenigstaff and temple staff that gives 1w.
Basically 1 druid splash is same as 30 char worth of dmight without shilly counted.
Its rather simple to figure out why fsoul is worse split.
By droping fsoul you can get more starting int/con/str for better kta and also wand and scroll mastery from herald which is t1 and bequile.

I mean, that is how i would do it, option is 2 palie for defensive roll supremality but i prefer 1 druid/1monk.
Could replace the 1 monk tho for something that could benefit the build more, no idea if 2 barb is viable for ear smash tho. Never even considerd that since wasting 2 class levels for a 1 target helpless inducer doesnt seem to hot to me /but sp boost sure is great

Wonder if shilly and cheaper wand scroll mastery do good for dex based rogue.
Its just shilly/bequile and mastery that you would get from that split for dex based

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