The first big problem with both of those builds is that they are robots.  Ever since the Healing Amp change last fall there has been very little reason not to play a fleshy.

Relying on only Recon every 6 sec for healing is a weakness compared to the many sources of positive healing availble to fleshies.  Add to the fact that to get the damage boost it costs 16 AP on a BF, versus 1 AP on a human and the scales tip even further for human. 

Additionally, in both cases I don't see Weapon Attachment, and Improved PA even getting close to making up for 20% double strike (cartwheel) and 10 Melee power (nimbleness) in the offensive side.

If you are looking for a defensive version of what I posted.. Zoda posted a good idea on the mother forums.

Switch to Earth Stance, and instead of investing into Ninja Spy, invest into Shinto -- shave off 6 AP somewhere (might need to lose Vault) and pick up 15 PRR from Iron Skin.  You can also twist in 15 more PRR from Standing with Stone for a total of +45 PRR, which puts you at 150 standing, 200 when using SSW.

The DPS loss with Earth Stance is far less than it is with either of the robots.. and the Human using Earth stance is better defensively as well.  If you guys want me to break down the Defensive variant let me know, I should be able to do it pretty quickly.

The Zeus build was good when it was built, but as with most things in DDO.. it has not gotten better with age.

Ash wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

there arent many healing options on fleshies aside sf pots and cocoon. recon still beats those by landslide. robots can also pick up shintao and twist stand stone while in earth stance. much better defensively. then pack on wf traits on top of it. everything a fleshie build does the robot build gets more in terms of defense.

Ash wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

wiki says enhancement bonus for lightning mace. might have been changed now to morale.


edit: ap would like this;
http://i.imgur.com/s1FchsX.png
http://i.imgur.com/NeTv0WC.png

Who Cares wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:


Cool, thank you for checking.

I'll need to think on it. I know it is only on Crits, but going to 95% double strike every once in a while could be fun.  Then again the trade-off will likely be 4 seeker.

Ash wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 1:18am:

the ap had 1 left over(79 spent), can relocate one from max dex bonus in stalwart to free up 2 for spinning. iron fist is dope although there is already like 8 activated attacks on the build in LD.

Ash wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 1:18am:

agreed. just something to consider if the game ever required something so defensive. and might be easier for newer players to use.

either way your dex build has the dps stick title ;p

Wipe wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 7:37am:


1) Lit2 stick with 2 addy rituals
2) Min2 stick so it doesn't break after 2 swings (Force crit or force damage ritual)
3) Fully upgraded dreamspitter, lvl14
3) Rahl's might at lvl18 (force version if you can find) slash, pierce and bludgeon damage type.
4) Stout Oak walking stick at lvl20 (Villager comm - turn ins)
5) Epic Souleater is nice, but Stout Oak stick is much much better

Seems like you both missed out on probably the best 18-23 qstaff available. http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Bone_Crusher

Ash wrote on May 7^th, 2015 at 8:01pm:


Now how did you get that 89, maybe there's just something im not understanding.

SmokeMonster wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 7:55am:


Wow, that is a funny typo.  It should read 38 (as the math shows), It should be fixed now

SmokeMonster wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 8:03am:



Heh.  The wiki is blocked but the Vault isn't.

Computers are awesome.

Hey Ash

Thanks for posting this build, it helped a lot to decide what to do with mine. Acrobat is my favorite melee build, i have tried other variations like 11/6/3 rogue, barbarian, fighter (terrible synergy) and 14/3/3 rogue, paladin, monk which was great fun.

I'm playing this split as a halfling with a few changes in feats.
I have to agree with taking 18 rogue, the 4th core helps amazingly, i don't know why i never thought of it in the first place.
I have a few questions though.  Is it not better to twist glancing blow "effects" instead of damage, as in to increase effect proc of your weapon (Sireth)?  I saw good results on my previous life cranking them up.
Also, what does SSW stand for?