Like how hotdogs are made.

I would just like to say that anyone who's done any rudimentary coding or is familiar with game design can debunk the hoax contained in the OP.

the OP is clearly a hoax based on another hoax artists fiction on another site "not to be named" that has some other people who are not familiar with game development eating out of their hand, with plausibly elaborate pretend numbers made even more plausible by the readers desire to be deceived. As with this thread an elaborate but totally fabricateHd premise based on the unspoken assumption or implication that the poster has reverse engineered the client to find data. Data that would never be on the client side due to how easily it could be manipulated.

no client server architecture based game will ever have drop rates on the client side, there's literally no reason why they would be, and a million reasons why you would never do this. The server would never in a million years need the client to roll a chest or determine anything about it's contents. This would lead to anyone with a memory resident editor being able to force DDO to drop rare loot 100% of the time. You could literally reach into client memory and replace the trash loot with named and store bought rare roll loot. Which of course is why no one would ever put this on the client.

There is literally no coding reason or value in having a loot drop rate percentage or table that is either contained on or reported to the client, all the client is getting is: "this chest contained X Y and X". As a rudimentary experiment try opening a chest when you're lagged... see how nothing shows up then the chest populates slowly (slowly in terms of how fast a client side operation would happen)? That's because the server hasn't told the client what you got yet. Now ask yourself why given this fact they would ever put drop rates (let alone actual loot tables) on your computer?.

No coder would ever create a loot table that... um... unnecessarily analog?

Unfortunately most of DDO's player base is not very familiar with the history of internet multiplayer games or they would dismiss the implication of the OP's post out of hand. This is literally stuff that hasn't been done since the early 90's when various hacks to client side memory became rampant in games like Diablo and early MMO's and Developers quickly realized the folly of allowing ANYTHING that needed the slightest security to reside in client side memory or the data files on the clients computer.

Now let the shouting down begin, if there's anything I've learned on the internet it's that people want to believe what they want to believe. And they do not like to see things they want to believe debunked. Especially if they have no expertise in the matter.

Lets be clear about something: there are a lot of people around here who have zero expertize, who wouldn't even know what to do with a hex editor and a data file, let alone a compiler and some actual code. who want to accuse the working professionals with degrees and years of experience running MMO's of not knowing what they are doing: to leave drop rates in the client, to allow the client to even contain these would be a mistake only a truly unknowledgeable non coder would accuse anyone of. You literally would have to "not know what you don't know" to even think these numbers would ever exist off of a server. (of course the logical place for the OP to go from there is to imply that they hacked the server a rabbit hole I'm not going to bother pre-debunking).

Anyway believe whatever you want, I'm not going to stick around for the hurt feeling and "but I wanna believe so u r a ****" angst directed at me. The OP is a hoax and so is the guy he's referencing on the other site. Take this as you will.

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Originally Posted by IronClan  View Post

people want to believe what they want to believe. And they do not like to see things they want to believe debunked. Especially if they have no expertise in the matter.


Posted by Flagged:

Hmm, I have seen this demonstrated in more than a few of your posts in just the past few months, so maybe don't throw stones? Don't get me wrong I find your largely polemic post rather entertaining, and almost always amusing, but I worry when you get a bit frantic like this. It's almost as though you believe what you are saying here which would be crazy, and ill-informed.

The question isn't if these are the correct drop rates, I have been assured by several insanely qualified coders in the industry that they are dead-on. Instead the question should be: is there a problem with them at this rate? for me there is not. I think the numbers are just fine they protect the rare nature of the items and with a eye to the population running through ToEE they produce just enough to keep players eager.

I'm not sure if your getting my point, but in simple terms, I think you should stop carping about the OP and sounding like a tin-foil hat wearing guy trying to undermine his solid data. Instead you should be taking the fight to the people who think there is a problem with those numbers. They are the types who want gear to fall into their lap quickly, and that just hurts the long-term viability of the game.

So if you really want to help Turbine and those of us who support the game, you would be well advised to direct your energies towards defending the loot numbers and more importantly the philosophy behind creating them that Turbine embraced.

That is all, carry on.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/460239-Do-not-buy-TOEE-unless-u-want-t...



Snicker snicker  Flagged is a slippery passive aggressive fucker, I don't think flag gives a shit one way or another. Just a exercise in twisting Ironclown's tale, evil evil gotta be a chick, it's like listening to my sister-in-law troll my Mom about some of the silly shit she votes for.

More rare spawns would be cool though - you can clear the whole thing in almost two hours and sometimes you won't find single spawn.
Or you find that Wadsworth cube - anyone know how much hp that damn things has ?