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Jul 4th, 2015 at 12:08pm
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I stopped playing around update 9. Has the game been this easy for a while? If so, do they plan on addressing it? I really wanted to start playing again, but after running a gimp TR build through that I don't think I will.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 12:23pm
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Erm, no.  This is what we all want.  EZ epics.  Lots of XP Farming.  Each update pushing the power creep a little further...

Fun, right?
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 12:32pm
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Wait for the Fallout 4 expansion, you'll be much happier Wink
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 12:41pm
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have you tried a lower difficulty setting
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 12:46pm
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Scrybe wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 12:23pm:
Erm, no.  This is what we all want.  EZ epics.  Lots of XP Farming.  Each update pushing the power creep a little further...

Fun, right?


This has been the case for a while Sad
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 12:53pm
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VON is not exactly hard though, is it? Tried anything a bit tastier yet?

(Yes, EDs made everything at 20+ easier.)
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 2:17pm
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Last time they added something to make the game harder than what it is ( namely crowned champion ) so many people whined that it was too hard that they had to neuter the crowned champions... the first few days they were out was like good old time... you had to be careful in quests or you were going to get your ass handled.


  

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And now we have the outcry of HE ToEE for the masses to bitch about.   Can't win.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:26pm
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Flav wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 2:17pm:
Last time they added something to make the game harder than what it is ( namely crowned champion ) so many people whined that it was too hard that they had to neuter the crowned champions... the first few days they were out was like good old time... you had to be careful in quests or you were going to get your ass handled.

That was a fun 2 days.

I think the mimic event was a passive-aggressive payback for having to nerf champions.
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Reply #9 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:56pm
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Urgh.  Mimic event blew chunks.  I'm actually all for having mimics be an actual part of questing.  Have a 1% chance of any chest be a mimic.  Because why not.  Giving fucking random-ass cards for mostly-worthless pieces of random-ass junk is like paying a hooker to give you AIDS.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 7:01pm
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Scrybe wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
Giving fucking random-ass cards for mostly-worthless pieces of random-ass junk is like paying a hooker to give you AIDS.

... via blood-transfusion.
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:06pm
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Flav wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 2:17pm:
Last time they added something to make the game harder than what it is ( namely crowned champion ) so many people whined that it was too hard that they had to neuter the crowned champions... the first few days they were out was like good old time... you had to be careful in quests or you were going to get your ass handled.



champs was and is one of the stupidest things they ever did. it only punishes melee builds. ranged and casters never have to deal with fort bypass/true seeing/adrenaline.
  

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Revaulting wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:26pm:
I think the mimic event was a passive-aggressive payback for having to nerf champions.



Ha!
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 11:33pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:06pm:
champs was and is one of the stupidest things they ever did. it only punishes melee builds. ranged and casters never have to deal with fort bypass/true seeing/adrenaline.


or deathblock
  
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SirValentine wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 11:33pm:
or deathblock

what?
  

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Reply #15 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 1:17am
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Rubbinns wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
what?


what part of "casters never have to deal with deathblock" did not you understand ?
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 1:57am
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Rubbinns wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:06pm:
champs was and is one of the stupidest things they ever did.


Oh I agree... I always said that the idea ( making quests harder ) was good, but the implementation ( crowned mob with silly buffs ) sucked.

  

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Champion can go fuck themselves. 95% of my deaths these days are because of some champion two-shotting me, and all they've done is reinforce the dominance that ranged/caster builds have enjoyed for far too long.

@original subject, VoN is one of the easier epics. Try ToEE or Necro 4 or something for a more challenging EE
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 2:39am
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CosmicCharlie wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 1:17am:
what part of "casters never have to deal with deathblock" did not you understand ?

deathblock doesnt matter for melee. The list of abilities i posted above do hinder melee. I was confused why anyone would bring up deathblock.
  

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Reply #19 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 4:44am
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Flav wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 2:17pm:
Last time they added something to make the game harder than what it is ( namely crowned champion ) so many people whined that it was too hard that they had to neuter the crowned champions... the first few days they were out was like good old time... you had to be careful in quests or you were going to get your ass handled.

Ah sorry I missed that!
  
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Champion can go fuck themselves. 95% of my deaths these days are because of some champion two-shotting me, and all they've done is reinforce the dominance that ranged/caster builds have enjoyed for far too long.

@original subject, VoN is one of the easier epics. Try ToEE or Necro 4 or something for a more challenging EE

Haha, really? My casters are shiradi boring or shit compared to melee these days. I've had no problems with champions on any of the melee builds I've run lately. You can heal as quick as they can hit...
  
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Reply #21 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 5:12am
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Depends what you mean by melee.
Some champs like gargoyles, shadarkai, harpies hit really hard on 200 prr pally. Earth elly in toee 1, champ hezrous in part 2 or fire elly rare in part 1 or red named ogre commander are just retarded - how do you attack those on a rogue or lighter armour build like ranger perhaps ?
Or fort bypassing champion cr 73 toee archer.

It's not really that fun. Stupid encounters like that, I'd simply bring another character, that's it.
  
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Reply #22 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 5:44am
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Flav wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 1:57am:
Oh I agree... I always said that the idea ( making quests harder ) was good, but the implementation ( crowned mob with silly buffs ) sucked.



The crown just makes the game look childish, especially when the mobs are pretending to be invisible.
  
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Reply #23 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 5:59am
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kum-gulp wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 4:46am:
Haha, really? My casters are shiradi boring or shit compared to melee these days. I've had no problems with champions on any of the melee builds I've run lately. You can heal as quick as they can hit...


It's not uncommon to see monster champions in endgame EE content hitting for 300, 400 each on a decently-PRed character, and since they usually come in groups, you'll have to eat that damage + what everything else is throwing at you. Best solution to me seems to not have to deal with the damage, i.e. be ranged or caster, or to be a paladin because those are the only real viable endgame melee characters right now. If you're melee, your only hope is to get an absurd amount of PRR/HP/Healing... and the most efficient way to do that is paladin. And even if you are a paladin...

Wipe wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 5:12am:
Some champs like gargoyles, shadarkai, harpies hit really hard on 200 prr pally. Earth elly in toee 1, champ hezrous in part 2 or fire elly rare in part 1 or red named ogre commander are just retarded - how do you attack those on a rogue or lighter armour build like ranger perhaps ?
Or fort bypassing champion cr 73 toee archer.

It's not really that fun. Stupid encounters like that, I'd simply bring another character, that's it.

So yeah, even if you can survive these encounters on, say, a paladin... what about other melee builds? I know that in heroics, you can run melee rangers, rogues, ninja monks, unarmed monks, kensei THF or TWF fighters, hell TWF barbarians even, bastard sword artificers, eldritch knight fighters, and all sorts of other builds. Even if the heroic game is easy, you can't deny that it allows for greater build diversity, and that IMO is one of the shining points of DDO.

Endgame content is a turnoff for me because it fucks over what is otherwise a decent system in heroic. Very few builds are viable in the current endgame (and even less melee builds), and it's been like this for a long time now.
  
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Reply #24 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 6:22am
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You don't need to toe to toe everything even if you're melee. That's tactics, isn't that what EE is/should be about? If I'm soloing something hard on a squishy, I change up my tactics.

My response if I'm getting hit for 300-400 is to work on not getting hit, mitigating it better, building HP or healing quicker. Or any number of other things dependent on the quest.

Most complaints about difficulty spikes in the game seem to be about wanting to just beat down your way through a quest. I agree something that twats for 300 a pop should not be common, but a few peppered here and there makes things interesting. I'd also like to see mobs with decent HA and more interesting self heals.
  
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