Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 Send TopicPrint
Normal Topic Bow User Update 28 Build (Read 6732 times)
Kluege
Dragon Raider
***
Offline


Hi

Posts: 246
Location: Philly
Joined: Aug 6th, 2014
Gender: Male
Bow User Update 28 Build
Sep 25th, 2015 at 10:22am
Print Post  
Ok, so I am thinking for a Bow using ranger.  Dex build for the improved weapon finesse and the rest to con and wis if I go 6 monk.

12 ranger
6 monk or fighter (I know 10k stars)
2 fighter or 2 rogue (traps vs extra feats)

or

14 ranger to get FoM spell
6 monk or fighter

With the devs stating holy sword will be changed, I am leaning this way for now.

or 20 Ranger with the capstone on DWS being decent enough.  Giving up 10k stars and monk stance could be too much to lose.


What are other folks thinking?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Asheras
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


This is why we can't have
nice things.

Posts: 10230
Location: Ohio
Joined: Jun 9th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #1 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 10:50am
Print Post  
I think you should wait and see what they do with the AA tree before you make any decisions, unless you are planning to TR shortly or have some of hearts of wood to burn.

I don't see enough in the DWS tree to make me change how I feel about bows yet.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Kluege
Dragon Raider
***
Offline


Hi

Posts: 246
Location: Philly
Joined: Aug 6th, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #2 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 11:37am
Print Post  
Asheras wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 10:50am:
I think you should wait and see what they do with the AA tree before you make any decisions, unless you are planning to TR shortly or have some of hearts of wood to burn.

I don't see enough in the DWS tree to make me change how I feel about bows yet.


Well, they came to their senses and added the +1 crit and not having to invest in Elf to get dex damage is nice as well.  I think I can stay the same with going 12/14 ranger and 6 monk.

If I go pure ranger, the capstone in DWS now adds 20 ranged power along with the lvl 18 capstone I would pick up.  So. tier 5 in AA and capstone in DWS.
« Last Edit: Sep 25th, 2015 at 11:43am by Kluege »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Kluege
Dragon Raider
***
Offline


Hi

Posts: 246
Location: Philly
Joined: Aug 6th, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #3 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:26am
Print Post  
Ok, I wanted to update this in case someone wanted some info on bow using ranger...  I went pure ranger.  The damage is pretty nice actually.  Of course, you will need to decide if you want a decent persistent damage and choose from DC (+1 crit from DC stacks with DWS), Shiradi (cc and dex) or LD (blitz is still strong).  Or, go burst and have the fury shot.  I tried both.  I personally like the burst damage from FoTW, but with each there are some trade offs.

For enhancements, if you go FoTW you will do capstone in DWS and tier 5 in AA to get slayer arrow.  If you go DC / LD / Shiradi, you will want more DWS going tier 5 to get heavy draw, lightning strikes etc... 

Like I said, I like both burst and persistent, but I just like burst better as it is an "oh shit" button to help get you out of trouble in EE or a nice way to lay down some good dps on a boss or whatever.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
viadrouw
Waterworks Kobold
**
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 114
Joined: Aug 18th, 2015
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #4 - Oct 7th, 2015 at 3:34am
Print Post  
I will have a look how my 12ranger/6monk/2rogue AA trapper performs now. Should Pulverizer (used with the blunt ammo toggle) stack with DWS or not?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
rest
One Man Wolfpack
*
Offline



Posts: 7223
Joined: Aug 13th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #5 - Oct 7th, 2015 at 11:16pm
Print Post  
It didn't previously, but that may have changed.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
5 Foot Step
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


I Hate Idiots!

Posts: 11119
Location: USA
Joined: Mar 8th, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #6 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:03am
Print Post  
You should wait for AA changes. The initial proposal looks like decent buffage, but I haven't heard anything about manyshot or slaying shot (potential nerfs) yet.
« Last Edit: Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:04am by 5 Foot Step »  

Build links
Endgame Gear Guide
Cannith Crafting Planner link

Warning: May contain outdated cultural depictions.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Justanotherlurker
Titan Demolisher
****
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 377
Joined: Jun 20th, 2014
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #7 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 8:50am
Print Post  
5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:03am:
You should wait for AA changes. The initial proposal looks like decent buffage, but I haven't heard anything about manyshot or slaying shot (potential nerfs) yet.


Quote:
(We are still talking with the player's council about balance changes, but I wanted to give a teaser on what we are looking at for Manyshot and Ten Thousand Stars since it is relevant to this thread.)


We are considering changes to Many Shot and 10K Stars. We want a design that throws out fewer projectiles for server and client performance as missiles are actually expensive. We also want a design that doesn't require a doubleshot debuff.

Manyshot redesign: For the next 20 seconds you add your base attack bonus * 4 to your Doubleshot and Ranged Power. Using this ability places Ten Thousand Stars on a 30 second cool-down. (You no longer have a Doubleshot penalty applied.)

Ten Thousand Stars redesign: For the 30 seconds you add your Wisdom to your Doubleshot and Ranged Power. Using this ability places Manyshot on a 30 second cool-down. (You no longer have a Doubleshot penalty applied.)

Our goal is to make these abilities more efficient without reducing the overall DPS of ranged characters using one or both of these abilities.

Sev~

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Asheras
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


This is why we can't have
nice things.

Posts: 10230
Location: Ohio
Joined: Jun 9th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #8 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 11:18am
Print Post  
As is, the Manyshot changes don't help bow users.  Bow is still only usable for 30 seconds out of every 2 minutes.  The rest of the time you need to be a melee.  Or accept that you will have lackluster DPS.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kum-gulp
VoD Slasher
*****
Offline


I Love Tired Vault Memes!

Posts: 1809
Joined: Jul 16th, 2010
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #9 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 1:03pm
Print Post  
What a shame. Another missed opportunity.

(Thanks for doing the sums, interesting!)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Technomage
Epic Poster
*****
Offline


And so it begins...

Posts: 4444
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: Aug 27th, 2015
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #10 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 1:42pm
Print Post  
Asheras wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 11:18am:
As is, the Manyshot changes don't help bow users.  Bow is still only usable for 30 seconds out of every 2 minutes.  The rest of the time you need to be a melee.  Or accept that you will have lackluster DPS.

If they remove the Doubleshot penalty after Manyshot, bow users will be fine.
  

Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger.

We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Asheras
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


This is why we can't have
nice things.

Posts: 10230
Location: Ohio
Joined: Jun 9th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #11 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 2:30pm
Print Post  
Technomage wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 1:42pm:
If they remove the Doubleshot penalty after Manyshot, bow users will be fine.


They did show a plan for this, but in the plan they nerfed Manyshot too heavily in the process.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Technomage
Epic Poster
*****
Offline


And so it begins...

Posts: 4444
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: Aug 27th, 2015
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #12 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 3:07pm
Print Post  
Asheras wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 2:30pm:
They did show a plan for this, but in the plan they nerfed Manyshot too heavily in the process. 

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
  

Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger.

We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
5 Foot Step
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


I Hate Idiots!

Posts: 11119
Location: USA
Joined: Mar 8th, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #13 - Oct 9th, 2015 at 11:50pm
Print Post  
Asheras wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 11:18am:
As is, the Manyshot changes don't help bow users.  Bow is still only usable for 30 seconds out of every 2 minutes.  The rest of the time you need to be a melee.  Or accept that you will have lackluster DPS.


I don't know...100% doubleshot and 112 RP are pretty damn powerful with the DS penalty removed. 10k looks like a nerf though. Still nice that they are getting rid of the penalty.
  

Build links
Endgame Gear Guide
Cannith Crafting Planner link

Warning: May contain outdated cultural depictions.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
doubleBs
Korthos Resident
*
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 52
Joined: Jul 17th, 2014
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #14 - Oct 10th, 2015 at 2:19pm
Print Post  
With the changes to manyshot and 10k stars and addition of +1 crit in new AA tree, I think pure 20 ranger is the way to go.

Pur ranger can get 72% double shot, and 92% with killer stacked. While having a holy sworded bow
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
doubleBs
Korthos Resident
*
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 52
Joined: Jul 17th, 2014
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #15 - Oct 10th, 2015 at 2:25pm
Print Post  
Granted i think the build will feel pretty one dimensional and not very exciting to play. Great dps, but just like a great crossbow rouge, not very exciting.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
5 Foot Step
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


I Hate Idiots!

Posts: 11119
Location: USA
Joined: Mar 8th, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #16 - Oct 10th, 2015 at 11:57pm
Print Post  
doubleBs wrote on Oct 10th, 2015 at 2:19pm:
With the changes to manyshot and 10k stars and addition of +1 crit in new AA tree, I think pure 20 ranger is the way to go.

Pur ranger can get 72% double shot, and 92% with killer stacked. While having a holy sworded bow


It will depend on what they do with the capstone. With the current proposal you'd be able to get +1 multi in elven AA, +1 range with 12 ranger levels and 10k stars with 6 monk...with two levels left over for feats or pally saves or a sun elf life.
  

Build links
Endgame Gear Guide
Cannith Crafting Planner link

Warning: May contain outdated cultural depictions.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
[]
Madame President
******
Offline



Posts: 10532
Joined: Oct 16th, 2015
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #17 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:28pm
Print Post  
the build the thread describes sucks ass DPS wise; good luck with that.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
WeHaveLived
Abbot Raider
**
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 945
Joined: Apr 24th, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #18 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 5:24pm
Print Post  
[] wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:28pm:
the build the thread describes sucks ass DPS wise; good luck with that.


Hi Welcome
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Tilo
Ex Member


Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #19 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 12:49am
Print Post  
Shuri-archer-cannon is going to remain a solid build. At least maybe. I'm not an expert on monks, and didn't pay much attention to changes.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
harharharhar
Epic Poster
*****
Offline


Girthless Trolllicker

Posts: 3421
Joined: Aug 31st, 2012
Gender: Male
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #20 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 1:28am
Print Post  
Yeah hybrid Bow/Shuri's just got more interesting, and the 10k changes will make heavy monk investment sort of required. I've been noodling on a fulltime thrower 14 Monk /6 Ranger. If you're not using manyshot or bors, it's superior to the pure monk, but just by a very little.

And the boost from 10k is really only helping pure Monks using Shurikens. It's almost like Firewall has a devs ear...

Are they changing the interaction with cooldowns for 10k and Manyshot or can you still use them back to back? That's the only thing which is unclear to me at this point. If you can, than a pure 20 hybrid will be very strong. Probably the best version of a thrower you can do right now. You will lose out on a lot of SA dice, the Ninja Spy tree remains somewhat terrible, and without DWS or Mechanic you leave a lot of damage on the table.

Frankly, I think your version which uses manyshot and an elf is the best possible version of the ranged pure Monk, based on all available information for now.


  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Tilo
Ex Member


Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #21 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 3:42am
Print Post  
Ya, I'd give my feedback but I'm not sure it will matter. Besides, 10k being too strong is relative. 10k beating out other builds, yes. 10k beating out a cleave-centered build. I don't think so.

« Last Edit: Oct 17th, 2015 at 12:30pm by »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kum-gulp
VoD Slasher
*****
Offline


I Love Tired Vault Memes!

Posts: 1809
Joined: Jul 16th, 2010
Re: Bow User Update 28 Build
Reply #22 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 6:02am
Print Post  
Don't despair, I'm sure they'll fix it if you keep hinting at it.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send TopicPrint