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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Oct 4^th, 2015 at 4:27pm	Print Post
	I've never been a bard fan, but a friend wants to try one and asked my advice. I have no clue, but I'm sure some of you do. Can any of you help me out with a link to, and an evaluation of, a current bard build? Or even just some tips on what to look for? I really haven't looked at bard at all since before the first enhancement pass. The bard will be a 32 point first life elf (and is currently at level 10, but I think still has a +20 heart) without much in the way of tomes and no uber gear. The player tends to like to wade in swinging, and has some patience for clickies but not a ton, so a build that requires a careful cycling through 5 or 6 active attacks is not as good as one that renews songs every 4 or 5 minutes and has one or 2 active attacks and a few support CC. Ranger with Manyshot and Slayer arrow is a good level of interaction. She's not looking for leading the kill score, or doing EE raids, just having fun in some heroic quests a few times a month. She's kinda bored with DDO, and hopefully revisiting an old fun character will help. Anyway, any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thank you!

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #1 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	swashbuckler is easier to gear and play than freezing ice build. add 3 fighter levels for stance and 20% hp. 2 rogue levels for evasion. max perform skill. some into heal skill. dont forget balance for swf lines. stats: str, con, cha as main stats. throw few points into int for skills and KtA if she has harper, some into dex for reflex save and dump wisdom. feats: if human PA cleave grt cleave swf iswf gswf emp heal shield mastery imp shield mastery imp critical the shield mastery lines are more valuable in epics and with guardbreaking bucklers. the only one in heroics is crystal cove one. also 20% hp in stalwart tree cannot be obtained without a buckler equipped. It is also why cleaves are selected. guardbreaking has no cooldown, no save, and can aoe on aoe attacks. if not human then drop imp shield mastery until epic levels. The main feats to get are the cleaves. swf line and imp crit, in heroics as early as possible. get tier 5 in swash tree for exploit weakness and coup de grace. haste boost from kensei. spam displace and haste. use cure spells. cast fom. insta kill stuff. fascinate stuff if soloing or running ahead of group. very fun things to do with bards since the pass.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #2 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:33pm: swashbuckler is easier to gear and� play than freezing ice build. add 3 fighter levels for stance and 20% hp. 2 rogue levels for evasion. max perform skill. some into heal skill. dont forget balance for swf lines. stats: str, con, cha as main stats. throw few points into int for skills and KtA if she has harper, some into dex for reflex save and dump wisdom. feats: if human PA cleave grt cleave swf iswf gswf emp heal shield mastery imp shield mastery imp critical the shield mastery lines are more valuable in epics and with guardbreaking bucklers. the only one in heroics is crystal cove one. also 20% hp in stalwart tree cannot be obtained without a buckler equipped. It is also why cleaves are selected. guardbreaking has no cooldown, no save, and can aoe on aoe attacks. if not human then drop imp shield mastery until epic levels. The main feats to get are the cleaves. swf line and imp crit, in heroics as early as possible. get tier 5 in swash tree for exploit weakness and coup de grace. haste boost from kensei. spam displace and haste. use cure spells. cast fom. insta kill stuff. fascinate stuff if soloing or running ahead of group. very fun things to do with bards since the pass. Awesome, thank you! I'll really look good when I pass this along� BTW, I did say I was checking The Vault, her response was "The place with THOSE pictures? Yeah, report back what you find"�

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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #3 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:54pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:33pm: swashbuckler is easier to gear and� play than freezing ice build. add 3 fighter levels for stance and 20% hp. 2 rogue levels for evasion. max perform skill. some into heal skill. dont forget balance for swf lines. stats: str, con, cha as main stats. throw few points into int for skills and KtA if she has harper, some into dex for reflex save and dump wisdom. feats: if human PA cleave grt cleave swf iswf gswf emp heal shield mastery imp shield mastery imp critical the shield mastery lines are more valuable in epics and with guardbreaking bucklers. the only one in heroics is crystal cove one. also 20% hp in stalwart tree cannot be obtained without a buckler equipped. It is also why cleaves are selected. guardbreaking has no cooldown, no save, and can aoe on aoe attacks. if not human then drop imp shield mastery until epic levels. The main feats to get are the cleaves. swf line and imp crit, in heroics as early as possible. get tier 5 in swash tree for exploit weakness and coup de grace. haste boost from kensei. spam displace and haste. use cure spells. cast fom. insta kill stuff. fascinate stuff if soloing or running ahead of group. very fun things to do with bards since the pass. I would consider going 14 bard / 4 fighter / 2 rogue for the extra feat and getting the tier 4 Swift Defense enhancement in Stalwart Defender since you would already be spending points for the tier 2 and 3 bonuses.� With Fast Movement from the Swash tree and Swift Defense, you have would have a 24% runspeed bonus.� It's addictive. It's a tough choice between evasion and an additional 10% runspeed but if you went 15 bard / 4 fighter / 1 barbarian, instead of the 2 rogue splash, you'd be at 35% runspeed.� It's almost like having sprint boost running full time.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #4 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	I've not done much with bards recently. What weapons do you use in heroic levels/early epic levels, besides GS?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #5 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 4:57pm: I've not done much with bards recently.� What weapons do you use in heroic levels/early epic levels, besides GS?� razorend and treason have best crit profiles.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #6 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 10:28pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 4:57pm: I've not done much with bards recently.� What weapons do you use in heroic levels/early epic levels, besides GS?� Once you get the tier 5 Exploit Weakness and the SWF feats, a swash bard becomes a rapid-fire crit-spamming machine so you want a weapon that has as much "on crit" proc and damage as possible.� You can be stupidly effective in heroics with some RNG xxxxx burst of heartseeking/bloodletting/ribcracking weapon that works with swashbuckling. I used RNG until lit II greensteel.� I used greensteel to 20.� Sacrifical Dagger from 20 to 23.� Balizarde at 23 is tons of fun in LD.� You basically spam 2k+ crits on mobs. As an alternative to RNG in the early heroics, Sky Pirate's Dagger and Tiefling Assassin's Blade are effective. You may want to peruse this list: http://ddowiki.com/page/List_of_Swashbuckler_weapons_with_improved_crit_profile
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #7 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 12:56am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 5:08pm: razorend and treason have best crit profiles. 15-20x4 > 13-20x3

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #8 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:58am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 12:56am: 15-20x4 > 13-20x3 Resonant Arms Battering Barrage guardbreaking also 13-20x4 > 15-20x4 but that isn't as easy as necro pages or as versatile as short swords also, also treason gives fort bypass and deception with sneak attack. razor is keen with tendon slice and 1.5 1d8 per. would rather use those than any other heroic weapon.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #9 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 7:14am	Print Post
	For the Improved Crit, are we talking Pierce as the clear favorite? It sounds like rapiers, short swords, and daggers are dominating the weapons list. This is killing me, I'm stuck in meetings all week and I can barely resist the urge to whip out my iPad and look up feats and weapons this is the most fun I've had with DDO in months, and it's not even my character, I think I'm going to have to build one myself. Thanks all, this is great.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #10 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 7:18am	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 7:14am: Improved Crit depends on what you have. I have short swords and necro pages are readily duped and accessible. if you have forest brushhook, litany axe, dream edge then take slashing, or bludgeon if you have skullsmasher. if you have razorend you can skip taking imp crit until later on in heroics. or use it as a swap and main another of the listed bludgeon/slash weapons. because you will be getting expanded crit profile with it anyway due to keen.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #11 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 9:18am	Print Post
	Thanks! I have plenty of tome pages, so I can do a razorend easily for a PDK ITR with bard and probably get a skullsmasher on the AH pretty cheap for a blunt option.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #12 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:25pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:58am: Resonant Arms Battering Barrage guardbreaking also 13-20x4 > 15-20x4 but that isn't as easy as necro pages or as versatile as short swords also, also treason gives fort bypass and deception with sneak attack. razor is keen with tendon slice and 1.5 1d8 per. would rather use those than any other heroic weapon. Sure, 13-20x3 weapons might be the best overall/most desirable, but they are not the best crit range. Meursault wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 7:14am: For the Improved Crit, are we talking Pierce as the clear favorite? It sounds like rapiers, short swords, and daggers are dominating the weapons list. This is killing me, I'm stuck in meetings all week and I can barely resist the urge to whip out my iPad and look up feats and weapons this is the most fun I've had with DDO in months, and it's not even my character, I think I'm going to have to build one myself. Thanks all, this is great. Pierce is the way to go. There just aren't enough good options for slash or blunt. Note that you can feasibly put off taking Improved Crit until you're ready to switch to TF weapons though, since you can use Tiefling Assassin Blade 4-13, Razorend 14-22, and Balizarde 23-27.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #13 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:25pm: best crit range. i mean, if you wanna keep nitpicking neither is 15-20x4, so

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #14 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:12am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:30pm: i mean, if you wanna keep nitpicking neither is 15-20x4, so Pretty sure it is...in the context of "heroic levels/early epic levels", unless you're counting balizarde.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #15 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:20am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:12am: Pretty sure it is...in the context of "heroic levels brush hook would be at 13-20 x4

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #16 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:28am	Print Post
	13 wiz/4 fighter/3 bard The funnest and most survivable bard build to date for me personally. Its helped me knock out PDK and wizard lives, and its been great for doung the last 2 martial EPLs I needed for epic completionist. But it does have a lot of active clickies and attacks.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #17 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:46am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:20am: brush hook would be at 13-20 x4 Ah you got me. Still I wouldn't recommend that one.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #18 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 5:44am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:46am: I wouldn't recommend that one. agreed.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #19 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:27am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:25pm: Note that you can feasibly put off taking Improved Crit until you're ready to switch to TF weapons though, since you can use Tiefling Assassin Blade 4-13, Razorend 14-22, and Balizarde 23-27. Hmmm, I like that option, her feats are bugged and I don't know if she still has her free heart, skipping Imp Crit could cover for the loss of a feat. I love Orchard, so that's not a problem. I hate 3BC, but heroics below 14 are easy enough with a loot gen or maybe cannith crafted keen. Or maybe the AH can provide a sanity preserving alternative to grinding 3BC�

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #20 - Oct 9^th, 2015 at 11:38pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:27am: Hmmm, I like that option, her feats are bugged and I don't know if she still has her free heart, skipping Imp Crit could cover for the loss of a feat. I love Orchard, so that's not a problem. I hate 3BC, but heroics below 14 are easy enough with a loot gen or maybe cannith crafted keen. Or maybe the AH can provide a sanity preserving alternative to grinding 3BC� TAB is not hard to get. That rare spawns every time.

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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #21 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:24am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 11:38pm: TAB is not hard to get. That rare spawns every time. Cool, thanks! I farmed for Striani's Hand Cannon or whatever the name of the 3BC rune arm, but gave up after a few months. If TAB isn't bad I'll try it, I always feel more satisfaction when I get it directly than when I buy it. EDIT: And BTW, I started re-speccing my bard, and my feats are bugged too! We both have no level 3 feats on our bards, WTF?! Was this a bug with bards? My other characters that survived The Enhancement Crash came through with the correct number of feats, but the 2 bards I know both got screwed
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Selee Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 985 Location: Atlanta, GA Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #22 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 2:11pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 11:38pm: TAB is not hard to get. That rare spawns every time. True, but the drop rate is absolutely abysmal in that chest. It literally took me 3 lives maxing out slayers in 3BC to get it to drop. Also, do not overlook the Skullsmasher out of Crucible. It's a great blunt option for smashing skellies, esp if you have some sort of fort bypass like black dragon armor. I have a heroic normal, heroic elite, epic normal and epic elite for bard lives. I take imp. crit blunt instead of pierce as well to make it even better, and my TF weap I keep at lv 26 is a light mace because light maces are usable by any class no matter what. So if you are going to be chain TRing, or even getting just a few past lives of bard these may be worth looking into - they are usually available cheap on either auction house.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #23 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:24am: Cool, thanks! I farmed for Striani's Hand Cannon or whatever the name of the 3BC rune arm, but gave up after a few months. If TAB isn't bad I'll try it, I always feel more satisfaction when I get it directly than when I buy it. EDIT: And BTW, I started re-speccing my bard, and my feats are bugged too! We both have no level 3 feats on our bards, WTF?! Was this a bug with bards? My other characters that survived The Enhancement Crash came through with the correct number of feats, but the 2 bards I know both got screwed� If you had dragonmark feats or something else that became obsolete, then you should have a feat respec token in your feat list. Go see Fred. If that doesn't work,...well that was the reason they gave out those +20 hearts, remember?

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Suggest a Bard build/tips for 32 point first life Reply #24 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 10:35pm	Print Post
	Selee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 2:11pm: True, but the drop rate is absolutely abysmal in that chest.� It literally took me 3 lives maxing out slayers in 3BC to get it to drop. I'm pretty sure they upped the drop rate at some point. I never farmed for it before, but both time I bothered going out there recently I pulled one (after a reroll or 2.)

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