Disclaimer, I do not currently consider myself a thrower expert.

But I thought you all might want to know that I saw some peculiar things while mucking around with throwing weapons tonight for various unrelated reasons.

The ROF, and Doubling of attacks made, with all different types of weapons were varying. fastest through 100 was shurikens 50secs, then hammers 58 secs, then daggers 65secs, then darts 70secs, then axes 72secs.

This was a drow with a dex running at 47 (obviously not a spec'd thrower) no monk levels, and once I got curious I tried to due some decent tests in the little time I had.  I turned off fletching, and timed stacks of 100 of each type.  I ran each type though 100 3 times and averaged the results.

Also, there is what appears to be some uniform variance in the doubled shots that wasn't matching up with the extra 47% that you should be seeing in shuriken. The hammer was procing extra shots at a 20% higher rate than the other non hammer/shuriken weapons. But not as high as the Shuriken, pretty odd.

I'm putting it up here because I don't have enough game time to play with this right now and I thought the thrower guys could take a look at it and see what's going on.  Otherwise I would have kept waiting until I had it all down, and by then I would have forgotten and moved on or some update would make it moot, yadda yadda yadda.

Anyway, hope it leads to somewhere.

Grand wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:25pm:

Worst tester ever..

drow get shuriken expertise, which consumes more ammo. It does not affect the rest. Retest as non-drow and youll see its closer to 65 seconds

[] wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:08am:


FTFY

I've lost count of how many times I have trolled this kid today, you guys should all try it, it's fun and easy! 

Ha, this kid is easier to wind up than a clock, now sit and stay Pay4, the grown-ups are trying to talk.

Ding!

See? it's so how easy it is to make Pay4pals sit up and beg, I think even winding up a clock might be more challenging, lol.

Wow, he is well trained man! 

Now if you could just teach him how to spell as well as he heels on command! 

Who's a naughty doggy that can't spell? you!

You! you're a naughty boy that can't spell!

But you can sure be trolled on command!    too funny!

You computer must be old as fuck: you can't keep two tabs open.  Are you running software that allows tabbing?

Get it together man: now you're pretending you're not Grand again.

Grand wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 2:53am:



I am seeing the numbers pretty close to what you are posting for the hammers (100 attacks in 57 seconds, average of 5 runs of 100). Which, while an interesting phenomenon doesn't have any in game application to my eye. 

Even at the indicated hammer's ROF, which is indeed greater than the other throwing weapons types, it is still well below the shuriken ROF.  The higher base damage of hammers isn't big enough to off-set the ROF difference.  Now if the Axes had that ROF it would be huge because of the base damage and inherent X3 multiplier, but as you saw the Axes are still the slowest of the slow, so no good.

You may also be overlooking something that makes the hammers mysterious ROF buff even less useful, the available hammers. Except for the TF and Dagan's mallet there are no decent throwing hammers, compared to the shurikens available, especially the low and mid level Shadow and Snow stars that can compete into the epics.

I'm not saying it's not worth fooling around and experimenting mind you, just be realistic about the kind of returns you can expect. Maybe some fun dwarf flavor builds.

[] wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:


Boring.

But then again, like any post made by a guy who has never been able to understand how Manyshot has historically and currently worked matters at all?  Besides P4p usually talks out of his butt so how is this post any different? Am I right or what?

[] wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:




Well, in a word? Yes. In fact I know it and have proof:

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[] wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:44pm:


All these ignorant and statements are yours, made by you because you didn't know any better. I suppose because you don't know how to play very well and never took the time to figure out the basics of the game.

So, yes I know that you didn't understand how manyshot worked. The extent of your ignorance is such that it took half a dozen smarter players taking the time to explain those simple facts of manyshot to you muiltiple times in smaller and smaller words.

Which is why, your opinion/posts don't matter.


See they are easily ignored and skipped now, because after this vast ignorance of yours was exposed there is no fear that a reader might miss a random or rare coherent or informed thought in any of your drivel. So, easy to skip and ignore.

Maybe that's why you post so desperately now, because you finally realized that no one is paying attention to someone so dull-witted.

[] wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:



Entirely.

You just don't know how the game works, all quite obvious to anyone who reads your posts about the game mechanics or builds.

So, your not just a phony, your a ignorant and uniformed phony.

Just the kind of Phony who would try to buy "Credibility" and friends, and just the kind of phony I wont waste time posting with. Bye bye.