DnD wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:53am:


Picks are times 4. They benefit 50% more for Critical rage than a times 3 weapon.

LD:
pick = 17-20x4 (+12)
axe = 17-20x3+2 (+10)

DC:
pick = 16-20x4 (+15)
axe = 16-20x3 (+10)

It's multiplication vs addition. +2 base damage can never make up that difference.

DnD wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am:


Don't go T5 FB. Go Capstone in FB but T5 in Ravager.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:


you realize that with DA's and tier 5 in frenzied you're getting x10 or x11 (50% health from retribution in occult) on 19-20s and that's exactly how you're seeing 16-18k 19-20s. and i can tell you this it takes a lot of baby crits to equal one of my crits from a 19-20...

that's not as much dps. the devs built a new template for us to kill mobs and they want us focusing in our crit damage potential, and picks with crit rage and blood strength simply aren't going to put out the dps. also headmans chop doesn't want to work with picks


you're going to read everywhere on the boards telling you to go tier 5 in ravager, get blood strength and critical range, but that's not where the dps is at. especially when you can see 18k+ first numbers, those are kill shots

one thing people don't tend to understand about critical range and multipliers is that with the higher base damage and melee power the quicker a weapon with more multipliers catches up and exceeds the weapon with less critical multiplier but more critical range.

so you're welcome to go that route, but i can promise you you're not going to see the kind of dps you see in that video.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:


big numbers are fun?

then what are small numbers? dps? i don't get it it's always about the bigger number

i'm not sure if you're telling me i just made up that video with photoshop or something. i can do it again if you don't believe it.

when you're rolling 11.8W on a 1d10 at 200+ melee power that far greater exceeds rolling 11.8W on a 1d6 at 200+ melee power than that even larger number is now being scaled more by a x10/x11 multiplier and your extra helpless percent from sense weakness, and action brute.

even with your extra baby crits on 17-18 that maybe hit 4k those aren't going to put your larger 19-20 crits over the the crits from a 19-20 x10/x11 daxe it's just not. the numbesr from the picks are too low and the damage isn't able to scale up as high

again please by all means show the pick dps, i'd love to see it and would love to be able to go to picks because it saves a feat, i've tried and tried again.

First off, I'm not watching your videos. I don't click on links here.

It's all about averages though. I don't believe you have a x11 multiplier or 11.8 W, but even if you did, 17-18x4 + 19-20 x7 is the same number of multiples as a 19-20x10, the wider range makes up for the lower base damage with non-scaling critical effects and doesn't waste a feat on proficiency.

axe = x3
OC = x4
DC = x5
Headsman = x6
FB core = x7
FB t5 = x9
retribution = x10 *sometimes*

I could point out that I prefer to run in Crusader for 16-20 range, but that opens a whole 'nother basket of apples and oranges.

I don't make videos. I would be interested in seeing a breakdown of 11.8[W] or hearing where that extra multiplier comes from though.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 19^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:


Some things you can't unsee.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 19^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:


i can tell that you dont play a barbarian or in legendary dreadnaught because if you did you would realize that lay waste, momentum swing, and tantrum all add +5W, as well as dire charge adding +2W

you also get 5W from lgs, and another .8W from improved power attack in ld, and 1W from raging blows in tier5 fb. you also get 1W on helpless mobs from combat brute.

so...

dire charge = 5W + .8W + 1W + 2W = 8.8W (9.8W helpless)

lay waste = 5W + .8W + 1W + 5W = 11.8W(12.8W on helpless)

tantrum = 5W + .8W + 1W + 5W = 11.8W(12.8W on helpless)

momentum swing = 5W + .8W + 1W + 5W = 11.8W(12.8W on helpless)

this doesn't even inclucde cleave, great cleave, or supreme cleave and any barbarian or legendary dreadnaught would know you cycle through those attacks like hotcakes.

daxes are x9 or x10 (50% hp) on 19-20

you would realize that when you begin rolling that many dice for your attacks that the base damage particularly plays a large roll in damage potential.

you can keep using your 1d6 when you're rolling it 12 times and i'll go with my 1d10 rolling it 12 times and we will see who comes out on top after all our other multipliers kick in from there

I'm curious as to why no-one has posted how so VERY sweet dual Axe of Adaxas EE are when slotted with Meteoric Star and a Righteous in LD on an Occult Barb. Pump your rage and then pop a potion (yes, they stack), then Blitz... and just go completely fucking apeshit as the name implies

Intervention wrote on Jan 19^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

???

QFT.

all i have been looking for from these melee geniuses is proof of the pick dps

but instead i get clown remarks from players that seem to not play ddo.  is this forums dead?

you see i've posted a video, so i'm not hiding  behind anything

i guess some are just haters cus i got nasty barb dps maybe someone is butt hurt my non crits hit harder than their crits

just in case you lost the tap here it was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTNEiTQLt3c



and for whatever reason if you forget what my dps looks like there is a part 2 and 3 finishing that