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Feb 11th, 2016 at 11:35pm
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So, need build ideas. I want maximum dps from Epic Oozes.

Personal dps doesn't matter. Playable self healing is a plus. Ooze buffing and healing a plus...

Was thinking of some sort of warlock/druid/X.
  
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Re: Need help with the important stuffs...
Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 1:28pm
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How about warlock 5 / druid 15 for Earthquake?
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 3:50pm
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I was thinking about something like that myself for fun.  The most important factor would be getting out as many oozes as fast as possible, so maximizing the number of procs would be the most important. 

Do you know if L. ooze stacks (e.g. dual wield?)  Do you know if ooze multiprocs on magic missile?  If so, some shiradi caster would work well.  If not, probably some repeater type build.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:51am
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So if you have some druid and warlock levels for pet buffs, that leaves around 10 or so levels free.

Warlock adds 30 Melee Power.
Warlock also debuffs 10 PRR/MRR
Ooze also debuffs 10 PRR/MRR
Warlock adds haste
Warlock adds vulnerability.

Druid doesn't really add much. Enhancement bonuses that don't stack with haste. +75% threat from pack presence would be nice but isn't necessary. Weaker heroic level healing abilities.

Divine crusader for doublestrike/shot buff for more oozes if you are using a weapon and consecrate-sacred ground +10% ooze damage.

Missiles vs shurikens vs repeaters vs warlock AoEs.

I could just do a pure 20 warlock. 31 ES for 2 second aura + pet + cleave, 38 SE for T5 Cone multihit, 11 TS for stunning blast.
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 4:37pm
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Some lamma testing, conclusions for ooze casters:

1) ooze does not multiproc (magic missiles)
2) ooze *probably* does not stack (e.g., offhand/mainhand)

single_wield <- c(12,19,17,20,27,19,3,20,14)
double_wield <- c(10,35,15,16,32,8,19,18)
t.test(single_wield ,double_wield )

single wield proc'ed an average of 1/16 of the time and double wield proc'ed 1/19 of the time (which is in statistical error p = 0.54).  It's definitely not double the proc rate. 

So... the best ooze master build would be a shuri or repeater type build, or possibly a dual wield tempest build. 
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 4:42pm
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I'd lean towards repeater, since it's unclear whether ooze would multiproc on doubleshot/shuriken expertise or offhand hits for duel wield.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:36pm
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1) means some ICD on chance to proc, or maybe 1 proc chance/cast max? If this is true shuriken are good because all of the different shuriken in one throw used to bypass ICD.  Fast attacking melee would probably also work. I'm leery of repeaters now, because I don't know the hidden ICD vs repeater fire speed. The three shots are awfully close together.

I got sidetracked, but this is pretty solid for an Ooze build:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/471806-Sneakzilla-Work-in-Progress

-------------------------------------------------------------------- Sneakzilla, Work in Progress
Somewhat untested build. So it may fail completely, or it may work ungodly well and get nerfed into the ground like all my other -zilla builds. Both seem about equally likely.

3 Druid (1d6 wolf)> 13 Rogue (7d6) > 4 Warlock 10 Epic (30 MP) Human

Stats Dex for Feats, Max Con

Feats

1 TWF Precision (Dex 15)
3 SM
6 WF:B (2 MP)
9 TWF#2 (BaB 6)
12 ISM (6 MP, 8% DS)
15 TWF#3
18 WF:P (2 MP)
21 Epic SA (3d6)
24 Heavy Armor
26 PTWF
27 WF:S (2 MP)
28 Spell Power: Positive
29 Arcane Warrior (20 MP)
30 Scion of Ethereal (43)
30 Sneak of Shadows

Rogue Feats, Def. Roll, Opportunist

ED: Divine Crusader (10-% DS, 20-70 MP) w/Endless Ardor, Rubuke Foe, Cocoon twisted

Enhancements:

ES 6 (Aura, PRR, MRR)
SE 22 (Vulnerability + PRR Debuff, 6 MP, -40% threat)
Assassin 26 (4d6, 5 MP, 20% DS Killer, -15% threat, boost)
TA 8 (Subtlety, Move Speed, boost)
Human 3 HAMP
13 NW (Fatal Harrier, 1d6, 30% DS boost)
Free AP 2

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All the attacks are "main hand" ish, and the oozes should rock with all the debuffs going up.
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:38pm
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A high druid level would get you Mass Vigor to heal your oozes
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 8:56pm
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1) means some ICD on chance to proc, or maybe 1 proc chance/cast max? If this is true shuriken are good because all of the different shuriken in one throw used to bypass ICD.  Fast attacking melee would probably also work. I'm leery of repeaters now, because I don't know the hidden ICD vs repeater fire speed. The three shots are awfully close together.


I'm guessing it's a 1/4 s ICD, like the other LGS items.  Do repeaters attack faster than that in a volley?  If shuris bypass, that would be a lot of oozes!
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 11:05pm
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You can use stormrage to test ICD bypass.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:29am
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Warlock splash thrower is the easy path forward here

  
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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:40am
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Nuuu Monk... Why'd it have to be monk...

Why can't it be shapeshifted combat Sad

I optimized the hell out of that druid/warlock/rogue.  TBH, if I wasn't messing around with oozes I never would have realized the dps they can do...   Undecided
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Reply #12 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 1:53am
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I've been talking with some folks about my current life build on the mobos.  https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/469914-Champion-of-Jubilex-a-comedy-ap...

While not necessarily a super DPS build, it is very sturdy, solid UMD, good selfhealing, nice HP.  It is 15/5 pal/lock SWF/orb (draconic reinvig = infini smites). 

Highlights for the oozes/summons: +25 All stats, +300% fort, x2 Toughness Feats (Total HD+2 extra HP), +200 HP (after the two Toughness feats), +20% Dodge, +40% move speed, Evasion feat, +95 MRR, +155 PRR, +100 Melee/Ranged power, +150 Universal Spellpower, 25% displacement, 1% Chance each attack to: knockdown, 20d20 sonic dmg, 20d20 electrical dmg, Elusive Target feat effect from Scion of Elysium.

I summoned a CR 1.00 celestial dog a few times last night in King's Forest as a test.  He was able to fight a CR 19 wolf down to 3 HP before he died without help from me or my aura.  Had he been getting my temp HP every few secs from my aura, he'd have lived (and wolf of course woulda died faster from light/sonic/force dmg).

Is it the uberest bestest build evar?  No.  But it sure is a gigglefest.  I really enjoy it.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 5:55am
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Heh. I want to increase dps twofold. First by buffing them, and second by debuffing the target.

How does pull from reality from banishing arrows work? 6 Ranger 4 Warlock 6 Monk + 4?

ES 24 (Aura, PRR, MRR)
SE 22 (Vulnerability + PRR Debuff, 6 MP, -40% threat)
NS 6 (Subtlety, Move Speed, boost)
Human 1
AA 22 (pull from reality)

Jakeelala can you make this work? Your the throwing expert Smiley How does banishing arrows debuff work anyway?

I want the target to be at -52 PRR, vulnerable, and rebuked, and the oozes to be uber. Will that work?  Haste if possible, extended from WL.

I don't think we have to give up uber dps to have uber oozes. I think they are one and the same.
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Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 12:01pm
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Summons Master try#2

Drow Max Dex

6 Ranger  6 Monk 7 Warlock +1

ES 23 (Aura, PRR, MRR, pets)
SE 22 (Vulnerability + PRR Debuff, 6 MP, -40% threat)
NS 6 (extra shuriken)
AA 21 (Banishing Arrows)
HM 8 Contemplation

Feats
1 Quick Draw
3 PBS
6 Aug Summon
9 IC:T
12 Monk Stance
15 IPS
18 Extend
21 Imp Aug. Summon
24 OC
26 First Blood
27 Haste
28 Doubleshot
29 Arcane Warrior
30 Champion of Jubilex Epic DR

Ranger Free: Rapid Shot, Precise Shot, Manyshot
Drow/Monk Free Shuriken Proficiency, Shuriken Expertise, Precision, Deflect Arrows, 10k Stars

ED: DC with Endless Ardor, Rebuke Foe, Contemplation Twisted
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Reply #15 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 12:11pm
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Take a shuriken build, sub warlock levels, points in ES for MP, swap in summoning feats, points in Harper Leadership, twist Natural Shielding.

What kind of damage are these oozes doing? Everything other summon/pet in the game is still garbage even with all available boosts.
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Reply #16 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 12:36pm
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Honestly I have no idea how hard they hit.

It's not the boosts ... it is the debuffs I think that will transform build from Comedy of Jubilex to WTF Hax of Jubilex.

Calculate the effect of Ooze -10 PRR/MRR, SE 20 Vulnerability, SE -10 PRR/MRR, Pull From Reality -25 PRR/MRR, Rebuke Foe 25% more physical, and LGS Ash -7 PRR on a mob and get back to me.

Compare that to the boosts 10% dmg Crusade, 100 MP (levels, ES tree, Epic Aug. Summoning), extended Haste .
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Reply #17 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 12:43pm
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Yeah the banishing thing works but it only debuffs things which can be banished.

Paralyze arrows or Elemental DPS is the way to go, Smiting arrows is great on shroud portals.
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 12:46pm
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Well doh. Can shroud mobs/portals/bosses be banished? Because I don't need anything out of the other two raids.

Also can someone with Lamma test to see if an Ooze LGS shuriken multiprocs?
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Reply #19 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 1:07pm
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I dont have one yet but I'd like to try and make one think.

I know with the old ooze 2, I could get 5 or 6 puddings up in longish fight. I think the most i had once was 8.
  
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Reply #20 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 2:27pm
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Heroic Black Puddings (only type I have cuz still farming LGS large mats) with all the Champion of Jubilex (CoJ) buffs from my post are hitting for nearly 100 bludgeon and 8 acid (up or down 10-20 on blunt/4 either way on acid).  The acid seems to be non-scaled by anything and is same as when I could first start proccing them.  The screenshot here is heroic damage without any of the CoJ buffs from nowadays.  It's from an oozi-cannon build (I've enjoyed puddings for quite a while now).
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 2:33pm
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I've recently retwisted in Oncoming Storm instead of Fast Healing which I normally choose.  My survivability (and x3 primal fast healing EPL) is solid enough that Oncoming Storm's benefits outweighed yet even more passive HP regen.  I'd thought I wouldn't notice the benefits missing from the oozes, but with the volume I have (normally 3 to 5 puddings out almost always), the sonic/elec/knockdowns are pretty obvious.  The sonic/elec hits for 100-150 or so on non-vuln'd enemies, and the knockdown is just hilarious with so many pets out proccing it.  Like an earthquake that follows me around and costs me nothing to cast. 

I also forgot to mention the Eidolon Shadow.  He doesn't proc as much, probably cuz I'm not hit often, but when he does come out, he's hitting for about 120ish melee/130ish sneak dmg, but he only stays around for 60 seconds.  Never seen him die, just times out too much.  If the necklace didn't have +4 Insightful CON on it, I'd not wear it.
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 3:16pm
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Jiudark wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 2:33pm:
Eidolon Shadow.

most mobs dont have ghost touch. 50% miss chance vs any thing that isnt undead. Give it displace and it will never die.

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Because I don't need anything out of the other two raids.

can trade runes for lgs mats, no? terrible rate of 1000/1, but something, i guess.

@Tilo- I like the idea. It reminds me of the Summon Raging Spirits build from Path of Exile. That game is really good for summoners
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Reply #23 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 4:26pm
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Mmm apparently I need to test if mobs can even go negative PRR.
  
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Reply #24 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 4:53pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 3:16pm:
It reminds me of the Summon Raging Spirits build from Path of Exile. That game is really good for summoners

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