Jiudark wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 1:53am:


I definitely want to see your summon build on video. Whether or not it's any good, it should be pretty entertaining.

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Assuming everything works as it says it does:

PRR debuffs stack additively on top of each-other. Assuming it does stack into the negatives (since most mobs have 0 PRR):
10 (Ooze) + 10 (SE) + 25 (PFR) + 7 (Ash) = -52 PRR

100 / (100 - 52) = 2.08. This means that a mob with all those PRR debuffs is, to start with, taking roughly double damage.

I'm pretty certain that all other debuffs stack multiplicatively, judging by LE HoX speed-runs.

2.08 * 1.2 (Vulnerable) * 1.25 (Rebuke foe) = 3.125. Grim Fate from Fatesinger can give an additional 12% phys. damage vulnerability, resulting in x3.5 damage.

So with all these debuffs and shit, you can get a mob to take over triple damage (assuming they all work). Combined with your summon's 100 Melee Power, Crusader circle, and +25 to stats, and assuming they use stats for damage, your summons will be doing up to 7.7 * (base damage + 12). No idea if that would be enough to make them any good.

Sgtgig wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:


Your wish is my command.  I'll work on it today after another attempt at getting some LGS larges from this LegShroud I'm in right now.

Sgtgig wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:


"Good" is subjective.  As I've said, it's not super damage from each individual ooze.  Think of it more as additional displaced in-party tanks that have over 1200 hp each and decent dodge/AC/evasion.  Ran EE House of Rusted Blades last night and watched 1 pudding tank 3 drow fighters and 1 caster while we worked the boss.  Boss was down to 1/3rd hp left before those 4 guys managed to kill the pudding...just in time for 3 more puddings to charge them.

So "good" to me was that we didn't have to deal with 4 EE mobs incoming damage or the paralyzing drow poison they had.  Puddings won't kill things, but they will keep them off your back.

Legendary Normal Creeping Death solo attempt at Ooze Puppeting a legendary pudding.  Success.  CR 31 pudding had nearly 4,000 HP under my control.

Ooze durations seem to match the heroic version of 5 minutes.  Silverleafforumspammer says he thinks its closer to 3 minutes, but that might be due to his having less oomph than my own.  I'd love if your math was right about 14 oozes a minute, but I don't think that's anywhere near what you'll see.  I hope you prove me wrong.  Also note, the chance for ooze proc is 1%, not 2% like all the damage procs, however they've removed the Ooze Sunder from LegOooze LGS, so it's hard to say what else they've done to it.

I did finish my LGS Ooze shortsword today (chose that weapon base due to ease of proficiency and utilization by enhancements across many lives).  Took it for a spin immediately to the Vale of Twilight and second hit proc'd a CR 52 Large Black Pudding Fragment.  That pudding hit a dog a few seconds later for 956 bludgeon damage critical.  Acid damage was irrelevant but again seems tied to the non-scaling 2d6 base acid damage from the d20 SRD description. 
Later went to try it out and filmed a run of Epic Hard Tracker's Trap.  Steamrolled the content while watching the oozes, puddings, eidolon, and succubus all tear shit up while I stood by and laughed my arse off.  Film edit for youtube will be forthcoming when I get around to it, but here's a bossfight screengrab of an arcane ooze and black pudding beating on Shai:

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When did shield mastery start working in wolf form again?

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It stopped working with orbs...but I see now you're actually using a buckler here?

Hmm.

Do bashes proc in wolf form?

Not from auto attacks, but a lot of newer (Bard, DC) attacks do, even in animal form. I was going to take the shield bash feat, but I think you will lose too many auto attacks using attacks that shield bash.

I'm still debating if I want more ooze buffing or just raw personal damage on the build. Personal damage will activate Killer, for more double strike and more oozes when Zeal runs out.

I guess I have awhile to figure it out.

Monk instead of bard gives 10% more offhand, loses 25% double strike shield and 6% double strike music. Mmm don't like.

At 11 attacks/sec 250 on hit chaos/sneak damage is ~3k dps for summons feats.

mkay gear list:

LGS Ooze Heavy Pick weapon
The Rising Light Buckler (dex, prot, socketed devotion)
Madstone Boots (20% AS)
Fabricator's Bracers
Scalemail of the Celestial Avenger (Fort, Speed, Sheltering, Blurry, Parrying, deathblock, socketed fear/blindness immunity, 17% DS)
Epic Litany (socketed Golem's Heart+Nat Armor)
Epic Hide of the Fallen Cloak (str, armor pen, socketed something)
Iron Mitts Gloves (hamp, vit, socked Globe)
Epic Belt of Thoughtful Rememberance (con, resist, dodge, socketed spot, )
Necklace of Mystic Eidolons (ghostly, ins con, ins dex, aug summon, socketed Soul Gem)
Seal of House Avithoul (imp. dec, sneak +5, ins sneak +3)
Ring Deadly Legacy item
Accuracy of Insightful Sheltering Helm
LGS Dex Skills Goggles +39/HP

Enhancements
25 DWS (DS, Killer, MP, HP)
11 SwashBuckling (Deflect arrows, movement, buckler use)
35 Tempest (10% offhand, better deflect arrows)
3 Human HAMP
6 Warchanter (PRR)

ED: DC with Balanced Attacks/Reign/Flurry of Blows/LSM twisted.

Legendary Ooze video uploaded finally.  Old news, but some haven't seen the new puddings/oozes.  I'm still a sad panda they removed the arcane ooze fragments' spellcasting from Lammania (or so I'm informed..I don't play on Lammania).

https://youtu.be/zvKefyTVRlA

The oozes aren't strong enough to ever boost to high levels of damage. They are about as strong as the weaker members of the party, or about 1/6 to 1/50th as many kills as I have, depending on how fast I'm moving through dungeon, and if the mobs are sneak attack immune.

Oh, and just an FYI that a druid with 100% double strike, 10% off hand double strike, 90% off hand chance at 30 BaB and 50% haste (madstone + SWF) attacks 9.48 times per second, ish.

The CR seems to depend on difficulty of dungeon but not level of dungeon. A lvl 5 elite quest will spawn CR 52+ oozes.

I don't seem to get as many oozes as with heroic GS. I don't know why. Maybe there is a cap, maybe there is a lower % proc rate after you have a few out. Maybe I'm just killing things too fast.

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We have different definitions of high damage if just shy of 1k a hit is not high damage.  I will grant you it is not high damage per second, but 750 to 900 damage on non-helpless/non-vulnerable enemies isn't my definition of "low damage." 

As I've said before, my approach was for fun.  It was a fun experiment, and for what it was, enjoyable to me personally. 

There has been nearly identical grumbling to your post here as on my mobo thread, for what I can see as nearly the same reason.  And that reason is half-assing the build with regards to pet buffing.  If you don't bother to use what I did, you will see much lower results than I did. 

That's not a bad thing, you just valued different things.  But that doesn't mean one cannot make strong oozes.  My videos and screen grabs should be evidence enough that it is possible.  Does my actual character do insane damage due to "giving up" so much to make stronger pets?  I didn't think so, but it does noticeably less dps than say a build that doesn't use pets at all.  But I still could solo EH and EE with no issues, so how much DPS is really, really needed?  For me, if I could kill things and complete objectives, and laugh my arse off at pets galore along the way, it was a worthwhile trip.

kum-gulp wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:28am:


If all the effort didn't result in fun, then I'd wonder why we'd play this game at all.

For me the fun factor is the entire point of this game.  When it stops being fun and starts being work, I'll leave it.