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Best DPS caster now?
Mar 2nd, 2016 at 1:31pm
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Best DPS caster now?

Warlock or Wizard?  TRing my Shiradi wiz and looking for the best DPS caster to run from level 15-30.
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 2:06pm
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Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 2:16pm
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I think the sorcerer mix is outdated now - a larger portion of your DPS comes from epic spells and the archmage SLAs (which you are forced to use).  For max DPS, I'd say a 3 warlock splash for 10% additional crit damage (13 wiz/4 fvs/3 warlock).
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 2:17pm
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Druid 13, Warlock 6, Wiz 1

SE T5, ES T4

Double Aura MM spam using +3 arcane caster level item/epic abishai set.
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What does druid do?
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 2:26pm
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Double stack Body of the Sun on top of Warlock Aura for mad AoE Shiradi procs, and heal your gnomish ass for the PL.
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Reply #6 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 3:08pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 2:16pm:
I think the sorcerer mix is outdated now - a larger portion of your DPS comes from epic spells and the archmage SLAs (which you are forced to use).  For max DPS, I'd say a 3 warlock splash for 10% additional crit damage (13 wiz/4 fvs/3 warlock).

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Druid 13, Warlock 6, Wiz 1

SE T5, ES T4

Double Aura MM spam using +3 arcane caster level item/epic abishai set.


Both of you just feel free to go ahead and do a ~8:30m Solo EE FoT if you're so convinced of the superior DPS aspect.
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Reply #7 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 3:40pm
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Weren't you the saying that solo accomplishments don't mean anything? 

By the way, I was playing the sorc/wizard mix half a year before gold.  On the wizard/sorcerer split, here you can see me going through solo EE WGU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8QFqKgBZ5A and solo EE GOP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZYO87j0F1g (which was a record at the time). 

I'm not saying this to brag or anything, but if you want to bring in credentials based on solo accomplishments, I think I'm at least qualified to give my opinion. 

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Another problem with the gold shiradi in current meta is that it requires 3pc abishai, which is difficult to fit in, in addition to the 4pc greensteel set. 
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Reply #8 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 3:57pm
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I thought we were all just trolling. Everyone knows the best caster is a pure 20 warlock.

I'm still sticking with druid/warlock/wiz being a close 2nd though.
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Reply #9 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 4:07pm
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10sorc/6wiz/4fvs 12wlk/6wiz/2fvs  13wiz/4fvs/3warlock
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A lot of debate on the best Shiradi split?

So best non-shiradi would be 20 Warlock?  Is that a consensus?  I would guess 41 TS/39 SE?
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 5:50pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 3:40pm:
Weren't you the saying that solo accomplishments don't mean anything? 


I said they don't mean everything. But when one is exceptional, it certainly means a lot.

AtomicMew wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 3:40pm:
By the way, I was playing the sorc/wizard mix half a year before gold.  On the wizard/sorcerer split, here you can see me going through solo EE WGU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8QFqKgBZ5A and solo EE GOP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZYO87j0F1g (which was a record at the time).

I'm not saying this to brag or anything, but if you want to bring in credentials based on solo accomplishments, I think I'm at least qualified to give my opinion.


I apologize if I gave the impression your opinion does not matter, that's not what I think. What I meant to imply was that opinions aren't the same thing as very strong objective proof like the achievemtns on Golds shiradi. My problem with SOlo/Speed runs is not that they don't prove anything about a build, it's that they prove A LOT more about the skill and preparation and experience of the player recording the video thant hey do of a build. 9/10 people with identical equipment and build as Gold could not do that EE FoT.

AtomicMew wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 3:40pm:
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Another problem with the gold shiradi in current meta is that it requires 3pc abishai, which is difficult to fit in, in addition to the 4pc greensteel set. 


I thought you could use DoJ gloves and save 2 slots
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 10:31pm
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the speed run eth posted is excellent however he is also an exceptional player and has been for years

DPS-wise his build is probably not top of the pile but its hard to say. If you're smart with your clickies and supremacy you can get dots / heals going for insane values.
Eth is not using an abishi set. CM is fucking tits but honestly the aoe is already so good its not a deal breaker to lose a few missles.

Pure warlock is not bad since single target damage rotations can keep you occupied and their aoe is equal to a MM / CM spammer. IMO Enlightened spirit is a trap.

End of the day we'd have to see dps tests to answer the OP. Am just braindumping here, some of what I say may be some garbage.
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Reply #13 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 9:58am
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I've run the Gold Shiradi.  I found it way more gear dependent than I like.  If you dont have Abishai set or DOJ gloves (i dont have abishai set) it is shite.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 2:52pm
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Double stack Body of the Sun on top of Warlock Aura for mad AoE Shiradi procs, and heal your gnomish ass for the PL.

CM+SLA CM with cl of 7-19, beats aura every 3 seconds and another aura every 4 seconds.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 7:15pm
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I'm just not sold on pulling groups small enough where MM or CM is useful.

Not after playing a warlock.
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 2:52pm:
CM+SLA CM with cl of 7-19, beats aura every 3 seconds and another aura every 4 seconds.

Wouldn't it be (CM +CM SLA) vs (3s aura + a 4s aura + 5s Eldritch Burst AE + 5s Spirit Blast AE)?
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 1:29am
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It would be 2s CM +6s CM SLA + Arcane Blast vs 3s aura + 4s aura + 5s Eldritch Burst AE + 8s Eldritch Wave 3xAE +9s Stunning Blast AE

I'm sure one could toss in spell power coefficients and figure out how many mobs it would take to make one better than the other.
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Reply #18 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 2:37am
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I'm just not sold on pulling groups small enough where MM or CM is useful.

Not after playing a warlock.

Warlock can't pull 70k+ greater ruin crits.
  
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Neither can an OOM wiz!
  
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 3:08pm:
Both of you just feel free to go ahead and do a ~8:30m Solo EE FoT if you're so convinced of the superior DPS aspect.




harharharhar wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 5:50pm:
What I meant to imply was that opinions aren't the same thing as very strong objective proof like the achievemtns on Golds shiradi. My problem with SOlo/Speed runs is not that they don't prove anything about a build, it's that they prove A LOT more about the skill and preparation and experience of the player recording the video thant hey do of a build. 9/10 people with identical equipment and build as Gold could not do that EE FoT.


You do realise that in your efforts to hastily backtrack, these are two contradictory statements.

You're asserting that solo speed runs prove more about the player than the build, but in the above post you challenged them to do it to prove "the superior DPS"

Which by using your logic if they did, you would claim the build was still shit but compensated for by their skill?

Isn't the correct answer that there are likely several builds in the same space, but in the hands of a very skilled player, some have more potential than others?
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Reply #21 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 6:37am
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PersonaNonGrata wrote on Mar 4th, 2016 at 5:05am:
Isn't the correct answer that there are likely several builds in the same space, but in the hands of a very skilled player, some have more potential than others?
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Exactly what I meant...
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Reply #23 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 8:45am
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Neither can an OOM wiz!

what is an oom wiz? The 13wiz splits can get their multiplier and force power high enough.

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+ 5s Eldritch Burst AE + 8s Spirit Blast 3xAE +9s Stunning Blast AE

Fireballs, acid blasts and chain lightning, along with sonic blast too if you wanted to throw in full rotations of mass proc spells.
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Reply #24 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 9:30am
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Warlocks seem less bursty than Wizard splits.  Less reliant on procs.
  
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