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Cleric challenge
Apr 5th, 2016 at 1:30am
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Ok, the thread about clerics from the other day sparked a request from a friend who just returned to DDO after a long hiatus to build a "useful cleric."  However, heavy restrictions apply, so it's a bit of a challenge.  I'd appreciate a second opinion.

I think this may be viable as a first lifer, too (which is why I'm sharing). Once you collect all your gear and unlock all your EDs, I think you could get the DCs within a few points of some of the other terror builds posted recently. 

This is NOT a top-tier DPS build!   There's nothing earth-shatteringly new in here.  It's designed specifically to meet these restrictions: 
1) He only has 1 character to TR, and it's a 1st life Rogue. 
2) He has no EDs unlocked or leveled. 
3) He wants it to be useful as it levels (not after 18 million epic XP and 10 lives).
4) Tier 5 radiant servant for aura & burst healing (yeah, I know), and
4) useful via ranged, not melee, because a dead cleric is a useless cleric. 

So, given all that, I put together a zen archery/AA 15 cleric/4 ranger/1 fighter - specifically for paralyzing arrows.  I tried to make the /3 monk and shuriken work, but it was feat starved and AP constrained.  Going straight DC-based caster would be a challenge with no spell pen PLs.  This at least allows paralyzing arrows at DC 60-ish, absolutely solid healing for raids, and better-than-nothing DPS. 

Again, not an uber build, but maybe you guys can find something I've missed or something to tweak to make it work a little better.   

Oh, the feats listed here are what he'd have to choose leveling up.  There are plenty of better epic/destiny feats, but they'd have to come later, after EDs are unlocked. 

"Useful" Cleric
15/4/1 Cleric/Ranger/Fighter
Lawful Good Human


Level Order

1. Ranger          6. Cleric         11. Cleric         16. Cleric
2. Cleric          7. Cleric         12. Cleric         17. Ranger
3. Cleric          8. Cleric         13. Cleric         18. Fighter
4. Cleric          9. Ranger         14. Cleric         19. Cleric
5. Ranger         10. Cleric         15. Cleric         20. Cleric



Stats
               32pt     34pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength         8        8       +5       4: WIS
Dexterity       15       15       +5       8: WIS
Constitution    12       14       +5      12: WIS
Intelligence    12       12       +5      16: WIS
Wisdom          18       18       +5      20: WIS
Charisma         8        8       +5      24: WIS
                                          28: WIS


Skills
          R  C  C  C  R  C  C  C  R  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  R  F  C  C
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Concent   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Heal      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Spellcr   2  1  1  1     1  2  2  2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1     1  2  23
UMD       2  ½  ½  ½     ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½     1  ½  ½  11
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         16  4  4  4  2  4  5  5  7  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  6  4  5
         32  4  4  4  8  4  5  5  9  5  5  5  5  5  6  6 10  6  6  6



Feats

1        : Point Blank Shot
1 Human  : Zen Archery
1 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
2 Deity  : Follower of: Silver Flame
3        : Empower Healing Spell
6        : Precision
8 Deity  : Child of: Silver Flame
9        : Quicken Spell
12        : Spell Focus: Enchantment
15        : Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
18        : Maximize Spell
18 Fighter: Improved Precise Shot
21 Epic   : Epic Spell Focus: Enchantment
24 Epic   : Arcane Insight
26 Destiny: Guardian Angel
27 Epic   : Combat Archery
28 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Positive
29 Destiny: Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Embolden Spell
30 Legend : Scion of: Feywild


Enhancements (80 AP)

Radiant Servant (36 AP)
  • Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst, Improved Empower Healing
  • Extra Turning III, Altruism III
  • Efficient Empower Healing III
  • Intense Healing III, Wisdom
  • Incredible Healing III, Wisdom
  • Positive Energy Aura, Cure Focus

Arcane Archer (29 AP)
  • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows
  • Conjure Arrows, True Strike III, Energy of the Wild II, Awareness III
  • Force Arrows III
  • Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Wisdom
  • Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Wisdom

Human (8 AP)
  • Damage Boost, Wisdom, Attack Boost, Dexterity
  • Improved Recovery

Deepwood Stalker (7 AP) = 40 positive spell power
  • Far Shot, Sneak Attack
  • Increased Empathy III, Versatile Empathy II 


  
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Re: Cleric challenge
Reply #1 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:07am
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Some more "Healer with bow" builds here:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/471580-Bowhealer-A-Divine-Arcane-Arche...

I tested the "BowSoul" on Lamaland and it was working fine. Good CC on mobs in LE Shroud. Medium DPS with elemental arrows. You don't need RS because in LE you are spot healing with heal or rezzing, cure serious is all the AOE healing you need. (Fleshies should have some healing amp in LE.) Anything BUT LE is BYOH anyway. Aura and Burst are centred on self and therefore not very useful as your biggest benefit is to roam freely. Soul has more SP, always useful as a healer.
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Re: Cleric challenge
Reply #2 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:50am
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Wait, favored souls heal?

Has anyone told them?

The build looks solid enough, under those restrictions. Why aura when you're ranged?
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 5:46pm
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The DoD + Ameliorating strike wolf will heal the people up front getting hit. For a first life start with 6 ranger levels so you can start in Primal Avatar.
  
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Re: Cleric challenge
Reply #4 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 6:02pm
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6 ranger levels give you also Manyshot that can give you some nice DPS for boss fight (weak point of the build in general)
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 7:22pm
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the 11 cleric, 6 monk, 3 fvs build I suggested a while ago is far superior to this.
  
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Re: Cleric challenge
Reply #6 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:23pm
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string table error, tableDID wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:07am:


Thanks!  Wish I had seen this before.  Would have saved me hours of iterations in the character generator.  I like that radiant healer idea of swapping manyshot instead of maximize.   Should help with DPS, and the heals should be fine when in full RS mode.

nietzsche wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 6:02pm:
6 ranger levels give you also Manyshot


I agree this was a weak point.  Like I said, probably swap it in for maximize.  Smiley   

WeHaveLived wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:50am:
The build looks solid enough, under those restrictions. Why aura when you're ranged?


Thanks!   As for aura, personally, I hate breaking DPS on my mechanic to heal or LoH.  This should take care of that, hopefully.   And I've actually seen aura used really effective in LE shroud endfights lately.  Back to the good ol' days of ranged guys gathering 'round the healer. 

Honestly, I'm just protecting for the aura.  The build has plenty of flexibility to throw the AP into DWS for DPS whenever healing isn't a primary concern. 

[] wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 7:22pm:
the 11 cleric, 6 monk, 3 fvs build I suggested a while ago is far superior to this.


Well, with such insightful comments as

[] wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 12:18pm:
Do you even WIS based Favored Soul, faggot?
and [] wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
FVS hoe moe sects you all!


in the thread on healers, I can see I should have taken your build advice more seriously.  Although, I must admit, it lacked certain substance in the "helpful" department.   But thanks for actually reading my post that listed what I was working with... oh wait, nevermind.   

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Reply #7 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:59pm
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wolff, Tong Po is the local village idiot that nobody can get to stop sticking his finger in his own butthole then licking it.    Don't bother responding to him. 

I would suggest you peruse the following thread to make your time spent on this site more productive and enjoyable.

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Reply #8 - Apr 6th, 2016 at 12:41am
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I dunno, it's fun to watch him wreck himself every once in a while.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:03pm
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pure 20 light based caster is useful
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:10pm
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Bigdickrichguy wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:03pm:
pure 20 light based caster is useful


Yes, but I have both (light caster and bowsoul) at the moment and I prefer the bowsoul for LE because CC matters and unlike light spamming the bow doesn't need any SP.
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Re: Cleric challenge
Reply #11 - Apr 11th, 2016 at 11:44am
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Why not go Elf for Elf AA, then you can go 14 cleric/6 monk. It seems like a shame to not use 10k stars on a max wisdom archer.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 11th, 2016 at 11:44am:
Why not go Elf for Elf AA, then you can go 14 cleric/6 monk. It seems like a shame to not use 10k stars on a max wisdom archer.


Because niggas is stupid as fuck?
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 12th, 2016 at 3:03am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 11th, 2016 at 11:44am:
Why not go Elf for Elf AA, then you can go 14 cleric/6 monk. It seems like a shame to not use 10k stars on a max wisdom archer.


I looked at 14 cleric/6 monk for a long while.  I saw a couple of pros/cons.  First, you lose a feat vs human with that 1 level of fighter.  You pick up 10k, but lose manyshot, and...  GSF: Enchant, maybe?   I wouldn't give up IPS on this build.   So, your DCs suffer.   For this specific character, the DC for paralyze (CC) is more important than DPS. 

You also lose 8th level spells, which meh... although deathpact is useful, imho. 

Another big point was PRR.  Going ranger/fighter/cleric, you could wear heavy armor with no penalties and get a PRR boost over having to wear outfits to stay centered.  That's an extra 42 PRR @ lvl 30 for this build, I think, right?   With no past lives to benefit from, I think that'll make a difference.   

Your AP is pretty tight with the monk option, and you lose the 40 pos spell power from DWS.   You also lose the DWS tree altogether, which is a useful option to switch in to when you don't need to be a full on healer.    

Did I miss something, though?   
  
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Reply #14 - Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:01am
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1        : Point Blank Shot
2 Deity  : Follower of: Silver Flame
3        : Empower Healing Spell
6        : Rapid Shot
8 Deity  : Child of: Silver Flame
9        : Quicken Spell
12        : Spell Focus: Enchantment
15        : Precise Shot
18        : Improved Precise Shot
21 Epic   : Spell Focus: Enchantment
24 Epic   : Arcane Insight
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Positive
27 Epic   : Embolden Spell
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Elusive Target
30 Epic   : Master of Stances
30 Legend : Scion of: Feywild

1 Monk  : Zen Archery
2 Monk  : Precision
6 Monk  : 10k stars

Dropped Maximize, Guardian Angel, Deific Warding, and a spell focus. You gain half a DC because master water stance gives 3 Wis. Maximize is useless on the only healing worth bothering with (aura and the Heal spell). Guardian Angel is more or less worthless AFAIK. Elusive Target is simply better than Deific Warding because 5% less oneshot deaths.

If you're willing to drop to cleric 12 you can get maximize and SF back with fighter levels though.
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Reply #15 - Apr 12th, 2016 at 9:14pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:01am:
Maximize is useless


Already dropped for manyshot, per above comments. 

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:01am:
28 Destiny: Doubleshot29 Destiny: Elusive Target


So, I think you may have missed the original premise - this is for a 34 point build that has 0 xp in ED.   Doubleshot & Elusive require 2 max ED in primal & martial, respectively, so 8 mil XP, best case.  Meaning, you qualify for both of them at level 30, best case.  You could get one, assuming you start in that sphere, which wasn't possible with the 15 cleric/4 ranger/1fighter build.  Thus, the feat choices that were focused on Divine sphere.   

Like I mentioned, I know there are better DPS builds out there, and future TR/eTRs would open up significant other options.   This was my attempt to deal with a specific set of circumstances, and I think the build may be useful as a first life healer/CC.   Not top-notch EE/LE DPS build, but useful... 


Overall, with the feat exceptions, it's an interesting idea.   I wonder what the overall DPS and CC effectiveness is on the monk option, though, vs the extra AC+PRR from heavy armor. 

I probably need to quantify the DPS, but that involves math, so may have to wait a day or two.  Smiley   
  
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Reply #16 - Apr 15th, 2016 at 11:23am
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wolff wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 9:14pm:
So, I think you may have missed the original premise - this is for a 34 point build that has 0 xp in ED.   Doubleshot & Elusive require 2 max ED in primal & martial, respectively, so 8 mil XP, best case.  Meaning, you qualify for both of them at level 30, best case.  You could get one, assuming you start in that sphere, which wasn't possible with the 15 cleric/4 ranger/1fighter build.  Thus, the feat choices that were focused on Divine sphere. 


You can go to Fred and respec once the prereqs are met.
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 7:33am
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Just make a ranger, get UMD and carry some rez scrolls. This is all the healing you need now.
  

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[] wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 7:22pm:
the 11 cleric, 6 monk, 3 fvs build I suggested a while ago is was far superior to this.


Lol.  Fixed that for you.

It's not October, 2015 anymore, dipshit.
  
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