Mmm just thinking at this point.

12 Fire savant Core 4 (21 AP)
5 Warlock SE T5 (34 AP)
3 Wiz AM T3 (13 AP) PM (6 AP)
KTA 6 AP

MoK + Eldritch Wave fueling immolation?

Immolation stacking/Wave both fueling Shiradi procs. With triple wave crit, 3 stacks immolation? Will it give 6 shiradi chances? Will it activate LGS vacuum to max stacks in a single cast?

Will it be enough mana with Feed on Magic 13 mana/wave?

Does shiradi activate off base spell power or the 130% of wave? Immolation?

Fiend/Int based/Dire Charge? Sense weakness twisted.

1 Evo 2 Arcane casts Cm at lvl 15...

Was thinking if the gold and undead shiradi builds could be improved. Want to Dire Charge > Eldritch Wave and just have everything explode.

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Have you tested Immolation procing shiradi?

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Not sure, seems likely to register as a triple cast similar to scorching ray on scourge stacks. But not true for empyrean stacking for some reason, despite same wording on the descriptions. It may act like Lantern/Resonation and be a one per cast limit(my guess is those are coded with a 1 second cooldown). Empyrean acts differently, there is not a cooldown, and it will trigger twice (2 stacks) off of a hellball on any number of ( a single/multiple) targets, when it double casts.

I would guess Immolation is just like Scourge and Conflagration and coded the old way? Where as Empyrean, Lantern, and Resonation are from later updates with either a cooldown or a casting limit on them.

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Why 6? Blasts trigger one proc regardless of the pact damage. Same for Bursts. Should be 3 procs assuming it follows. And a 4th if Immolation procs shiradi ticks.

Testing to see if Vacuum would proc off Immolation would let you know how fast you could stack it. Assuming 3 chances per Wave.




 

I was thinking immolation was crit. It isn't. It is on cast.

Eldritch wave may proc shiradi 3x and immolation 3x?

Immolation itself does proc shiradi on application. Haven't tested but I read it somewhere. The AA one is a non-magic dot, like ninja poison, but the sorc one is a spell power/crit spell stack.

So 6x procs off each wave?

I think both immolation and shiradi procs work off final spell power of spell used to activate them, and each spell contains full spell power/crit information, even if it only does a single element of damage.

Wave is 150%, not 130%. So if I toss a 400 all spell power wave, I think I get shiradi procs and immolation based on 600.

Was planning on casting a 800 spell power wave, which would be 1200 spell power procs/immolation.

At 6x procs, will give 7.2k spell power worth of shiradi procs per target. But that's not good enough.

Dire charge/sense weakness will bump that up 80% on trash to 13k spell power worth of procs per target. It would be like a full 1k spell power chain missile spell per target hit. Or a bit better than that.

Gota do some test iconics.

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Nice.

Wall of Fire applying Empyrean: Wall can get an Empyrean proc for each mob that walked into the zone, but those stacks will all fade away instantly to 0. Maybe Empyrean will do the same for Immolation and proc on each application, but not disappear. I dont have a 12+ sorc in Crusader to test. Scourge stacks are stacked in the same fashion with Wall but they will maintain and not vanish.

Also something odd to ponder, about hellball. When it double casts and procs 2 Empyrean stacks it will always only proc 3 Scourge stacks. It should be 2, but it's not. It also gives 3 when single cast, so

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metas apply to all procs if they were on for the originating spells.

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https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/425053-Shiradi-proc-damage-and-metas-a...

If you are referring to the procs from the Shiradi ED cores, Atomicmew tested those.

AtomicMew wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 4:34am:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1464712462/31#31

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I haven't seen anything that would make me think this is a thing, Arcane Bolt and Blast both scale with spellpower, but they don't suddenly make my shiradi procs significantly stronger than the other spells.

Matrix multiplication.

Ahh nvm. I'll get to it eventually. Be a few months. Maybe lammania will come up by then.

Mm only the aura will give immolation stacks.

1 lock 1
13 sorc 21 Fire savant
6 wiz 33 AM
8 harper KTA

would have to toggle aura on and off based on building mok stacks, not that efficient. Aura will give double chance of shiradi procs at 130% spell power though due aura > immolation stack. Not so bad either.

Mmm i guess overall I don't like it. Not enough burst for me. Sadface for eldritch wave - fiend not counting as a fire spell. 

Immolation is the most powerful enhancement a sorc has by far. I just don't see how to make good use of it.

Did you try Eldritch Ball? Not ideal but /shrug. (was wondering if MoK stacked with eldritch ball too but hadn't tested)

Hmm, I havn't seen it double-cast like hell ball.  I could never figure out and reliably repeat exactly what was causing hell ball to do it.  Was on a wizard getting an EPL=>HPL so didn't investigate more than 2 minutes total. /shrug