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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Jul 15^th, 2016 at 12:24am	Print Post
	I am assuming it does. Was looking into a 14 ftr 3 bard swf with buckler using khopeshes. Kensai tier 5 with some in stalwart defender. Probably splash rogue for evasion. Ideas? Missing something more optimal?


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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #1 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 12:26am	Print Post
	Not much into stalwart because I'll be in light armor. Optimizing?


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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #2 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 12:48am	Print Post
	You can only swash the buckle with finesse-able weapons.


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #3 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 6:09am	Print Post
	Doesn't stack. The end.


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^_^ Dirty Sock Offline KNN's Bitch Posts: 88 Location: Hanging on KNN nuts Joined: Oct 31^st, 2015 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #4 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:58am	Print Post
	Doodle wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 12:24am: I am assuming it does.� Was looking into a 14 ftr 3 bard swf with buckler using khopeshes.� Kensai tier 5 with some in stalwart defender.� Probably splash rogue for evasion.� Ideas? Missing something more optimal?

	[] wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 2:59pm: He seems to be performing at his optimal, though limited, level of intelligence.� It's Reilley that we need to be nice to.� That guys one more troll victimization away from putting his head in the oven. Darth Anonymous wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 5:35pm: We should deport all the SW fangirls over the age of 12 (except for grand he is special) and build a wall to keep them from coming back. Darth Anonymous wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Will build it out of pussy. That is one thing those fanboys can never get a hold of.
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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #5 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 10:18am	Print Post
	So once again wiki is wrong? Icon Skirmisher.png Skirmisher: Passive: While Swashbuckling with a Buckler in your off hand, you gain 10% Dodge, and you may use a Buckler and still benefit from the Single Weapon Fighting line of feats. Does not require Swashbuckling. It may be used with non finesse weapon.[Unverified] Tested in Game with Bastard Sword and Buckler, SWF attack speed and Shield Mastery bonuses were maintained. The swashbuckling bonuses (+10 Dodge) are not applied. Allows you to benefit from both Single Weapon Fighting and Shield Mastery simultaneously. (Melee Power does not stack, both feat chains grant Combat Style bonus). While using Different Tack your buckler also gets selected I can do celestias, make anything TF I wanted or LGS, but I have tons of khopeshes. Was hoping it worked.


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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #6 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 10:20am	Print Post
	I had a swashie using balizarde and TF but I'm wanting to do this variant on another toon. Oh well.


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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #7 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	Doodle wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 12:24am: I am assuming it does. Was looking into a 14 ftr 3 bard swf with buckler using khopeshes. Kensai tier 5 with some in stalwart defender. Probably splash rogue for evasion. Ideas? Missing something more optimal? Doodle wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 10:18am: So once again wiki is wrong? Icon Skirmisher.png Skirmisher: Passive: While Swashbuckling with a Buckler in your off hand, you gain 10% Dodge, and you may use a Buckler and still benefit from the Single Weapon Fighting line of feats. Does not require Swashbuckling. It may be used with non finesse weapon.[Unverified] Tested in Game with Bastard Sword and Buckler, SWF attack speed and Shield Mastery bonuses were maintained. The swashbuckling bonuses (+10 Dodge) are not applied. Allows you to benefit from both Single Weapon Fighting and Shield Mastery simultaneously. (Melee Power does not stack, both feat chains grant Combat Style bonus). While using Different Tack your buckler also gets selected I can do celestias, make anything TF I wanted or LGS, but I have tons of khopeshes.� Was hoping it worked.� Wiki is correct. You are mixing up stuff a bit. If you have Skirmisher enhancement, you can indeed combine Khopesh with Buckler and still benefit from Single Weapon Fighting line of feats. As for attack speed, both Vanguard and Single Weapon Fighting feats grant Combat Style bonus to attack speed, thus they don't stack.


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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #8 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 2:10pm	Print Post
	Doodle wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 10:18am: While Swashbuckling "Swashbuckling requires wielding a Finesseable or Thrown weapon in your main hand"


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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #9 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 2:21pm	Print Post
	WeHaveLived wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 2:10pm: "Swashbuckling requires wielding a Finesseable or Thrown weapon in your main hand" Yeah, and AA elemental imbues only function with a bow. ALWAYS trust the in-game descriptions.


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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #10 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	Huh. TIL.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #11 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:20pm	Print Post
	Is swash stance working with any weapon? Last I checked skirmisher enhancement allowed a shield and any weapon to gain swf benefits, but not keep swashbuckler stance active.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #12 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:30pm	Print Post
	Goddammit Ruby, stop reconditioning my already-conditioned mind!


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AnAlarmist Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 22 Joined: May 4^th, 2016	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #13 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 1:46am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:20pm: Is swash stance working with any weapon? Last I checked skirmisher enhancement allowed a shield and any weapon to gain swf benefits, but not keep swashbuckler stance active. Tested it; only works with light weapons.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #14 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:33am	Print Post
	AnAlarmist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 1:46am: Tested it; only works with light weapons. Not all finesseable weapons are light; also, there are throwers.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #15 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:33am: Not all finesseable weapons are light Dagger, Handaxe, Kama, Kukri, Light hammer, Light mace, Light pick, Rapier, Shortsword, Sickle, Unarmed or in a Druid animal form. which one isnt light?

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Swashbuckler swf speed stack with vanguard? Reply #16 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:07pm: Dagger, Handaxe, Kama, Kukri, Light hammer, Light mace, Light pick, Rapier, Shortsword, Sickle, Unarmed or in a Druid animal form. which one isnt light? Rapier isn't. Also there are some fringe cases, like scimitar in Tempest, Shining Crescents, some other named items.

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