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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	End game Khopeshes Jul 20^th, 2016 at 11:36pm	Print Post
	Here's what I have available for my TWF khopesh wielder (either a Ranger or a Fighter of some sort. Trying to decide which I like better): Leg GS Vacuum Khopesh Leg GS Ice Khopesh Leg GS Mineral Khopesh ToEE Khopesh w/ set bonus and +2 mythic on it Thunderholme T3 Mortal Fear Khopesh What are other folks wielding at end game? The Vacuum LGS and ToEE Khopesh is what I have been using a lot, but the armor is really not all that impressive anymore, outside the set bonus. Is the 20 MP still worth it? Anything else to consider? I do use the Ice one a bit when soloing and looking for some more CC when clearing trash. The freeze proc seems to happen regularly. The Mineral was really just in case I needed a DR breaker. But I find I rarely use it.


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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #1 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 1:46am	Print Post
	What I use: 20 Epic Chaosblade + Lightning GS 21 Drow Stun khop + Epic Chaosblade 24 Balizarde + Drow Stun khop 26 T2 TF + Lightning Toee khop 28 MF TF khop + Toee khop What I'd like ( but not really ): TF Reinvigoration - which is not gonna happen since I ran TF raids to death and I have like 70 shadow phlogs and non fire on my melees haha. Maybe Affirmation LGS - if I didn't always forget to bring my lgs ingredients bag to Shrouds. Besides, only place where getting one shot vs two shot makes a difference is elite Shroud, which does not happen that often. It's like cold absorb dagger gs on my wizard lol. I try to get rid of unneeded or barely used shit.


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merciless Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 273 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #2 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 3:33am	Print Post
	I'm normally using +++ LGS plus a lightening TOEE with the set bonus, but now I finally have the mats i'd like to make a vacuum LGs.... And switch to celestial armour. For me the question is whether I'll lose dps without the set bonus.? I'm way too lazy and generally numericallyilliterate to work it out, so some help would be appreciated. Base damage number on the +++ is about 61 and on the TOEE its about 51...

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Cairnoir Dragon Raider Offline I am not a farmer! Posts: 222 Joined: Sep 1^st, 2013	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #3 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 3:58am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 11:36pm: The Mineral was really just in case I needed a DR breaker.� But I find I rarely use it.� Aha! I found the owner of the Marshal Lance sock. heh. OK just shit posting without useful info. NM. carry on.


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Mokune Shroud Slacker Offline Gimped Hairless Ape Posts: 1115 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #4 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 8:31am	Print Post
	So, LGS Vaccuum is the fastest way to stack vulnerability?

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #5 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 8:35am	Print Post
	Hmmm... So that's two people recommending the triple positive/affirmation. The wiki said that the proc for the HP had a one minute cooldown. That seemed like it was too long. So is it just the 3 tiers of good damage that is compelling?


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #6 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 8:40am	Print Post
	Mokune wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 8:31am: So, LGS Vaccuum is the fastest way to stack vulnerability? Seems that way to me.


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LagMonsterrrrrr Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 263 Joined: May 28^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #7 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 10:20am	Print Post
	Triple pos lgs is fucking garbage. 1min cooldown is retarded, the weapon damage is crap v and most mobs in LE raids hit for over 1k hp anyways.


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #8 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 10:32am	Print Post
	What's your mlee power with and without the ToEE set? And doublestike? The armor covers a lot of doublestrike and has speed XV, so it may give you DPS from extra doublestrike or from opening gear slots that you sued for that. I'm with the same dillema to my thrower, specially if it is worth on a bow because in this case you can't make the set with an off-hand weapon.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #9 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 10:53am	Print Post
	Pierce Specced. Balizarde in your main hand. Draconic reinvigoration weapon in offhand.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #10 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 11:17am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 10:53am: Pierce Specced. Balizarde in your main hand. Draconic reinvigoration weapon in offhand. For Piercing, I agree that 2.5[1d8] +8 with a 15-20 x3 profile is stronger than 5[1d6] + 7 with a 17-20 x 2, but when you are losing the 22 Melee Power on top of that? You still like it? Interesting. The TF Draconic Reinvigoration, if you go with 1st degree burns, you still get up to 20 stacks of vulnerability in about 40 seconds and you have the boost regen. But your damage profile is: 3.5[1d6]+9 17-20 x 2 vs. 5[1d6] +14 17-20 x2. You are giving up about 10 damage per non-crit swing, before melee power or vulnerability is calculated. Does the boost regen really trigger that often? The wiki says 2% chance with a 100 second cool down. I can see the Balizarde as the main hand weapon just on the strength of that crit profile and die step, I'm just not sure if the best offhand is the TF, the ToEE set, or the Vacuum LGS. I guess for very long fights, it would be worth it. Being double boosted is the best DPS possible. I guess you really only need to equip the TF Draconic weapon every 90 seconds until you get your proc, then you could swap it for a better DPS weapon. If you remember to do that. I'm bad about weapon swaps mid fight.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #11 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 12:42pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 10:32am: What's your mlee power with and without the ToEE set? And doublestike? The armor covers a lot of doublestrike and has speed XV, so it may give you DPS from extra doublestrike or from opening gear slots that you sued for that. I'm with the same dillema to my thrower, specially if it is worth on a bow because in this case you can't make the set with an off-hand weapon. I'm not sure about the bow portion of your question, but for a shuri thrower, the ToEE set bonus is almost irreplacable in my opinion, especially on a ranger-splashed shuri.� There is a lot of synergy with 20 ranged and spell power with adrenaline shots,� SA, and elemental imbues scaling. Several months of experimenting with a 15/7 Dex LGS offhander vs the ToEE offhander in actual gameplay led me to believe that the ToEE set bonus was as good as, if not better than, 6 additional Dex. I really wanted to drop the ToEE set for LGS offhander and Celestial armor but it always seemed less effective.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #12 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	Mokune wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 8:31am: So, LGS Vaccuum is the fastest way to stack vulnerability? by far. couple seconds to fully stack depending on attack speed or just MM spam. It has no cooldown allowing your aoe to inflict stacks on everything it touches, potentially

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #13 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 12:42pm: I'm not sure about the bow portion of your question, but for a shuri thrower, the ToEE set bonus is almost irreplacable in my opinion, especially on a ranger-splashed shuri.� There is a lot of synergy with 20 ranged and spell power with adrenaline shots,� SA, and elemental imbues scaling. Several months of experimenting with a 15/7 Dex LGS offhander vs the ToEE offhander in actual gameplay led me to believe that the ToEE set bonus was as good as, if not better than, 6 additional Dex.� I really wanted to drop the ToEE set for LGS offhander and Celestial armor but it always seemed less effective. When U32 hits, you can craft that 15/7 dex on an accessory with cannith crafting or make it using the Slavers named loot crafting.�
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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #14 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 2:13pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 1:50pm: When U32 hits, you can craft that 15/7 dex on an accessory with cannith crafting or make it using the Slavers named loot crafting. Be careful, NoWorries has said nothing about what level of stats will be available in CC or Slavers crafting.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #15 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 2:13pm: Be careful, NoWorries has said nothing about what level of stats will be available in CC or Slavers crafting. You are right. He hasn't. My bad.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #16 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 4:54pm	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 2:13pm: Be careful, NoWorries has said nothing about what level of stats will be available in CC or Slavers crafting. Additionally, it's highly unlikely they will allow 15/7/2 levels of stats to be crafted in the new system since that would make LGS even more mediocre than it already is. Turbine seems to be terrified of allowing something that takes a large amount of time and resources to acquire to be more than marginally useful when it comes to crafting.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #17 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 5:03pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 4:54pm: Additionally, it's highly unlikely they will allow 15/7/2 levels of stats to be crafted in the new system since that would make LGS even more mediocre than it already is.� Turbine seems to be terrified of allowing something that takes a large amount of time and resources to acquire to be more than marginally useful when it comes to crafting.� Quality and exceptional are not in the cannith crafting system.� Only Enhancement (regular) and insightful.� My personal guess is that Enhancement will reach +15 and Insightful will reach +6, maybe +7.� In any case, you couldn't craft a 3rd stat onto a single CC item.� But, you could have an augment slot and put an exceptional augment in there.� I think you will be able to get to +22 total bonus to a single stat on a single CC item, using a +15 stat, +6 insightful, and a +1 execptional augment in a slot on the item.� You will be able to get a 3rd effect on there with masterful craftsmanship, as well.� Maybe another +15 stat or something else useful.� I think cannith crafting is going to more than marginally useful.� Sure, LGS brings more to the table, but then it should.� Quality is only found on named loot (RLG and CC loot can't have it).� Quality stats will be available on the slavers crafted loot, iirc (In extra slot +2).� But the slavers crafted loot can't have insightful on it. Just enhancement and quality. Tier 3 of LGS isn't a Quality bonus.� It is an Exceptional bonus.� Which is something that is only found on colorless augments and a few named items.�
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #18 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:01pm	Print Post
	would settle for 14/6, 3rd ability and slots on my items. worth to level up to 420 crafting levels

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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #19 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 4:54pm: Additionally, it's highly unlikely they will allow 15/7/2 levels of stats to be crafted in the new system since that would make LGS even more mediocre than it already is.� Turbine seems to be terrified of allowing something that takes a large amount of time and resources to acquire to be more than marginally useful when it comes to crafting. I could see 15/7 on the Slaver�s crafting being a thing. We�ll need incentive to grind out those legendary quests as well. Rubbinns wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:01pm: would settle for 14/6, 3rd ability and slots on my items. worth to level up to 420 crafting levels I would as well. But, I am expecting +11/+5 and a giant photo of the devs flipping us the bird for Cannith Crafting.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #20 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:44pm	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:06pm: I could see 15/7 on the Slaver�s crafting being a thing.� We�ll need incentive to grind out those legendary quests as well. I would as well.� But, I am expecting +11/+5 and a giant photo of the devs flipping us the bird for Cannith Crafting. You can't get insightful the crafted slavers, I don't think.� The prefix can be an attribute and the 2nd extra effect can be a quality attribute.� So that would be +15/+4.� Have to get the insightful somewhere else.� Cannith crafted, RLG, LGS, or a named item with insightful on it.� I can't think of any named items with better than Insightful +4 though, so I think you will be looking at just Cannith Crafted, RLG or LGS for a good insightful bonus.� Really here are your options: +13 or better enhancement stat bonus: LGS, RLG, CC loot, or Slavers Crafted Loot +5 or better Insightful stat bonus: LGS, RLG, CC loot. +4 or Quality bonus U29,U30,U31 Named items, Slavers Crafted Loot. +2 Exceptional Bonus LGS +2 or better Profane bonus Epic Litany or Slavers Armor +2 or better Artifact bonus Slavers Set bonuses Really, you can only get the profane and quality stat bonuses on (non-crafted) named loot at end game.� Everything else has to be crafted or come from random loot.� Otherwise, you are limited to +11 or +12 on regular stat bonuses and +4 on the insightful bonuses from the U23-U28 content.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #21 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 11:55pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 12:42pm: I'm not sure about the bow portion of your question, but for a shuri thrower, the ToEE set bonus is almost irreplacable in my opinion, especially on a ranger-splashed shuri.� There is a lot of synergy with 20 ranged and spell power with adrenaline shots,� SA, and elemental imbues scaling. Several months of experimenting with a 15/7 Dex LGS offhander vs the ToEE offhander in actual gameplay led me to believe that the ToEE set bonus was as good as, if not better than, 6 additional Dex.� I really wanted to drop the ToEE set for LGS offhander and Celestial armor but it always seemed less effective. The last calcs I did where I regressed backwards the contribution to damage for one of my shuri/bow hybrids had Dex at something Dex:RP as 1:0.45% So yeah 20 RP in a Fury Build is probably worth more than 6 Dex. But 6 Dex also nets you 3 base damage, which is 1:0.38 versus a Dex. So you're still ahead but the gap is a lot closer. I would still keep ToEE set. For the proc builds I made that needed DC I offhanded a Wisdom item, but that's a different story.


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Mokune Shroud Slacker Offline Gimped Hairless Ape Posts: 1115 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #22 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 8:35am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 1:19pm: by far. couple seconds to fully stack depending on attack speed or just MM spam. It has no cooldown allowing your aoe to inflict stacks on everything it touches, potentially I have a Tier 2, +15 Cha POS/+7 Ins Cha Pos LGS (planning on Hamp on T3 and L. AFF) in my main hand and upgraded ToEE Fire Caster SS in my off-hand. I am not wearing the upgraded ToEE armor in favor of BP of Cel.Sage so was looking at Legendary Radiance for my Warlocks off-hand. Wiki claims light damage scales with SP and doesn't mention a save or CD for the blindness effect. However, it looks like I should scrap the Leg Aff idea and work out the stats for a L.Vac and L.Rad.

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	Mokune wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 8:35am: However, it looks like I should ... Kill yorself, Faggot, that's what you SHOULD do in the first place
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Mokune Shroud Slacker Offline Gimped Hairless Ape Posts: 1115 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Re: End game Khopeshes Reply #24 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 9:25am	Print Post
	() wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 8:50am: ... Kill yorself, Faggot, that's what you SHOULD do in the first place It would be easier for you to get a date with me if I was dead. I don't give up this sweet sweet ass to just anybody. You would have to pry a piece of my ass from my cold dead hands. You got nothing useless twat and are nothing.

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