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Reply #25 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:36pm
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LurkYouRongTime wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:25pm:
there is a bug I discovered if you chance is below 6% (from my limited testing) it doesn't take success boosters into account.

I can't confirm that (used 25%ers for ~150 shards).
  

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I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake.


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Reply #26 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:36pm
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Ah Pook wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:06pm:
You gotta bump up the level, too.  Make sure it's at 340.

You'll burn out at about level 381 with just essences.


Is there any value in going above 360 unless you want to craft unbound insightful Tier 3 effects?  It seems to me that the ML shards only require you to get to 340.

The T1, T2, T3 only require 0,50, and 100
THe T1, T2, T3 insightfuls require 175,225, and 275
The T1, T2, T3 Unbound require 150, 200, and 250.
The T1, T2, T3 unbound insightful require 325,375,425.

It seems that at 360, you can craft even the 375's with 50% success (without a booster).  That means all you are missing is the ability to make unbound insightful T3 effects.  Honestly, if you don't care about unbound, you can stop at 325.   Since then you can make ML 34 shards with base 50% success (pretty much no fail with a booster) and craft any of the bound shards with 100% success. 

Getting from 325-400 is only useful if you want to make unbound insightful items.  It takes 430k xp to be at level 325 (from 245k if you started out max).  It takes 650k to cap at 400.  That 220k is more than what it takes to get to 325 (175k) and not worth much, if you ask me. 

At 325 you make anything you want for yourself and make anything for someone else as long as it doesn't have insightful on it.  personally, I'm good with that.  I'll save my essences for making gear.
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Reply #27 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:41pm
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Asheras wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:36pm:
Honestly, if you don't care about unbound

Well, that's always been the case.  It's way (easier and cheaper) to make bound crap.  I think you have it right, so judge accordingly.

Insight's the stuff that'll sell though, especially with a slot and a third effect.  Can finally make some gear that might actually supplement some things.
  

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake.


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Reply #28 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 5:01pm
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Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 2:24pm:
I made a few ML27 & ML28 shards to raise my skill level, but stopped after getting the ML28s to 100% success and not seeing anything higher appear in the list.  This is on the bound machine, I see up to ~ML24 on the unbound machine.

I'll save my essences until I figure out if this is a bug or working as intended. 

It's an IQ test.  You failed.  Failed hard for someone who claims to have crafted for their TR and alt needs.  Roll Eyes

I went from 260 to 361 on 1 crafting xp potion last night.  Ran out of essences or I'd have gone higher without any issues.

  
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Reply #29 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 5:05pm
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Asheras wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:36pm:
Is there any value in going above 360 unless you want to craft unbound insightful Tier 3 effects?  It seems to me that the ML shards only require you to get to 340.

The T1, T2, T3 only require 0,50, and 100
THe T1, T2, T3 insightfuls require 175,225, and 275
The T1, T2, T3 Unbound require 150, 200, and 250.
The T1, T2, T3 unbound insightful require 325,375,425.

It seems that at 360, you can craft even the 375's with 50% success (without a booster).  That means all you are missing is the ability to make unbound insightful T3 effects.  Honestly, if you don't care about unbound, you can stop at 325.   Since then you can make ML 34 shards with base 50% success (pretty much no fail with a booster) and craft any of the bound shards with 100% success. 

Getting from 325-400 is only useful if you want to make unbound insightful items.  It takes 430k xp to be at level 325 (from 245k if you started out max).  It takes 650k to cap at 400.  That 220k is more than what it takes to get to 325 (175k) and not worth much, if you ask me. 

At 325 you make anything you want for yourself and make anything for someone else as long as it doesn't have insightful on it.  personally, I'm good with that.  I'll save my essences for making gear. 

The insightful shards are the best part of this new crafting system.  I'm aiming to get to at least 390 to be able to make unbound insightful stuff for my guildies.   Going above 390 will just mean you're not as locked into using success boosters when making the lvl 425 shards, which is more of a bonus perk to me.
  
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Reply #30 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 6:13pm
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Digimonk wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
Failed hard for someone who claims to have crafted for their TR and alt needs.


Oh, my little Mookie!  It's really pathetic how you call me a stalker and yet can't keep away from me.  It's really pathetic how you think that you can 'prove me wrong' and somehow gain my approval by somehow refusing to understand with your tiny, tiny brain that things do indeed change over time.  Your failure to adapt to change isn't a limitation that others share with you.

Yes, I had completely satisfied all my heavy fort needs via the old Cannith system.  No, that doesn't mean that I can't admire a new item that has two augment slots that can be used for a heavy fort augment, or any of the other non-scaling effects I also listed along with HF.  No, that doesn't mean that I won't be leveling up my CC skill in the new system.  Yes, you are an utter tool, bitch.  And despite my having to describe for you just how stupid you are, again, I'm sure you'll have something irrelevant that you simply must post for me, because you can't go a day without seeking my approval.  I can't wait to hear what you have to say next, please don't make me wait long.  You are a special and important person, and you deserve to feel good about yourself.
  

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I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Reply #31 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 7:15pm
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I was surprised at how little essence I had, barely 40k! But the decon rates are actually really good.

One downside I think turbine neglected to account for: with only one essence, you now need multiple bags/inventory slots to carry around more than 10,000.

Raise your hand if you had fewer than 10,000 essences under the old system?








No one? Yeah, figured.
  

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Reply #32 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 7:24pm
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Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 6:13pm:
you think that you can 'prove me wrong' and somehow gain my approval



Take a closer look, it's pretty clear he is proving you wrong because you're wrong.  And because he probably enjoys proving you wrong, I certainly enjoyed seeing him prove you wrong. Hard out there for dickheads like yourself I guess.
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Reply #33 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 7:48pm
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Ah Pook wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:41pm:
Well, that's always been the case.  It's way (easier and cheaper) to make bound crap.  I think you have it right, so judge accordingly.

Insight's the stuff that'll sell though, especially with a slot and a third effect.  Can finally make some gear that might actually supplement some things.


Unbound insightfuls for sale will have to carry a high price, since they will cost a lot of PED's and mats.
  
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Reply #34 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 7:52pm
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noamineo wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 7:15pm:
I was surprised at how little essence I had, barely 40k! But the decon rates are actually really good.

One downside I think turbine neglected to account for: with only one essence, you now need multiple bags/inventory slots to carry around more than 10,000.

Raise your hand if you had fewer than 10,000 essences under the old system?

No one? Yeah, figured.

Yeah, I changed a bunch before I figured it out... at least the bank holds 10k, which isn't great, but better than most bags.  Do the lessers first, since it's 5-1, and that actually is a space savings.  Pump the counter to 500 or something, and then you don't have to fiddle with it much - can just go down the list.  I left a bunch of old essences, just because of the space issue.  I went through about 150,000 to level a couple of toons. 
They don't work from the bank, either.  Gotta have them in your inventory/bag.  The usual PITA when you're on a pot.
  

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake.


Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 8:32am:
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Reply #35 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 7:55pm
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Ah Pook wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:36pm:
I can't confirm that (used 25%ers for ~150 shards).


I used 35%s and failed 10+ times in a row with 3% base chance on 5 different shards, bumped my crafting lvl with easier stuff for the base to go 6% or higher and crafted after that - no prob.
  
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Reply #36 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 8:01pm
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I haven't logged in yet, I thought I wasn't the only one who learned that it's not a good idea to rush toward new stuff that Turbine does.

Are you retarded?

Wait a week to know whether it's safe before you wreck your characters and account, needing GM help to fix your stuff and oh! they stumble upon your stash of duped stuff and you get banned. Play it safe you fucking idiots.
  
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Reply #37 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 8:34pm
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LurkYouRongTime wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 7:55pm:
I used 35%s and failed 10+ times in a row with 3% base chance on 5 different shards, bumped my crafting lvl with easier stuff for the base to go 6% or higher and crafted after that - no prob.

What's that mean?  What were the numbers there?  I hate to do the old "people are shitty at prob and stats," but... people are shitty at prob and stats.
  

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake.


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Reply #38 - Sep 15th, 2016 at 12:20am
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Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 6:13pm:
Yes, you are an utter tool, bitch.  And despite my having to describe for you just how stupid you are, again, I'm sure you'll have something irrelevant that you simply must post for me, because you can't go a day without seeking my approval.  I can't wait to hear what you have to say next, please don't make me wait long.  You are a special and important person, and you deserve to feel good about yourself.

Says the guy who can't figure out how to work the new crafting system that even the mouth breathers on the motherboards used properly.
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Reply #39 - Sep 15th, 2016 at 12:38am
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LurkYouRongTime wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:25pm:
You can make stuff with 1% chance but there is a bug I discovered if you chance is below 6% (from my limited testing) it doesn't take success boosters into account.


fuck. wish I knew this beforehand. Wasted at least a 100 35% boosters + the mats trying to hit that juicy xp Sad
  

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Reply #40 - Sep 15th, 2016 at 11:48am
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LurkYouRongTime wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 3:25pm:
You can make stuff with 1% chance but there is a bug I discovered if you chance is below 6% (from my limited testing) it doesn't take success boosters into account.

I don't think this is true. 

My evidence is just as anecdotal as yours but I had no problems leveling crafting by using 35% boosters and making the min level shards that had a 3% base chance of success.  Sure, you fail more than you succeed with a 38% chance but that's the nature of the RNG/die roll and statistics.  At 38% chance, it's not outside the realm of statistical possibility to fail 10 times in a row.

  
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Reply #41 - Sep 15th, 2016 at 4:19pm
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Digimonk wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 11:48am:
  At 38% chance, it's not outside the realm of statistical possibility to fail 10 times in a row.



While possible it is not probable. The chance of failing 10 times in a row when the chance of success is 38% is about 0.8%. Even with an alpha of 0.01 this is statistically significant. Something is fucked up.
  

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Dr_tank2vich wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 4:19pm:
While possible it is not probable. The chance of failing 10 times in a row when the chance of success is 38% is about 0.8%. Even with an alpha of 0.01 this is statistically significant. Something is fucked up.

You're assuming that Turbine's RNG follows normal, statistical probability.  I wouldn't assume that.

Even in the old CC system, I failed 6 or 7 times in a row on something with a >50% success rate (not using boosters of any kind).

Outside of the crafting systems, UMD is another shining example.  It's sad when you fail to UMD an 85% success scroll 6 times in a row.

If I had to guess, I'd lean towards Turbine's RNG function being weighted/biased towards the "F the player" side of the scale.

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Reply #43 - Sep 15th, 2016 at 5:49pm
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Dr_tank2vich wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 4:19pm:
While possible it is not probable. The chance of failing 10 times in a row when the chance of success is 38% is about 0.8%. Even with an alpha of 0.01 this is statistically significant. Something is fucked up.

I've failed 6 times in a row on a 90%.  As always, post some numbers instead of feelings and we'll talk.
  

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I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake.


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Ah Pook wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 5:49pm:
I've failed 6 times in a row on a 90%.  As always, post some numbers instead of feelings and we'll talk.


10; 38%; 0.8%; 0.01
  

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Reply #45 - Sep 15th, 2016 at 6:50pm
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Digimonk wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 5:03pm:
You're assuming that Turbine's RNG follows normal, statistical probability.  I wouldn't assume that.

Even in the old CC system, I failed 6 or 7 times in a row on something with a >50% success rate (not using boosters of any kind).

Outside of the crafting systems, UMD is another shining example.  It's sad when you fail to UMD an 85% success scroll 6 times in a row.

If I had to guess, I'd lean towards Turbine's RNG function being weighted/biased towards the "F the player" side of the scale.



Yea. That was why I concluded with "something is fucked up".
  

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Reply #46 - Sep 15th, 2016 at 6:52pm
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Ah Pook wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 8:34pm:
What's that mean?  What were the numbers there?  I hate to do the old "people are shitty at prob and stats," but... people are shitty at prob and stats.


Means I managed to craft on 2nd or 3rd attempt the latest while when the chance was under 6% base I gave up after 10-12 tries (probably around 35 tries altogether) and didn't manage to craft the shards at all.
  
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Decided to try again after the hotfix, same thing happened, went to the unbound minimum lvl shards cause they are only ones left with low base %, I think it was ml 32 one that had 3% base chance at my lvl of crafting - failed 14 times in a row with a 35% booster and gave up, last time I am wasting tp on boosters too lol.
  
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Reply #48 - Sep 16th, 2016 at 11:46am
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LurkYouRongTime wrote on Sep 16th, 2016 at 9:33am:
Decided to try again after the hotfix, same thing happened, went to the unbound minimum lvl shards cause they are only ones left with low base %, I think it was ml 32 one that had 3% base chance at my lvl of crafting - failed 14 times in a row with a 35% booster and gave up, last time I am wasting tp on boosters too lol.

Either you have the worst luck in the game or you royally pissed off one of the devs and they added a "special" flag to your account.  =P

I had a few strings of maybe 6-9 fails in a row on the 3% base + 35% booster stuff but don't recall any streak of more than that while going from 260 to 360ish.
  
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Reply #49 - Sep 16th, 2016 at 2:33pm
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LurkYouRongTime wrote on Sep 16th, 2016 at 9:33am:
Decided to try again after the hotfix, same thing happened, went to the unbound minimum lvl shards cause they are only ones left with low base %, I think it was ml 32 one that had 3% base chance at my lvl of crafting - failed 14 times in a row with a 35% booster and gave up, last time I am wasting tp on boosters too lol.

Look at it this way, at least this time you listed a base chance that actually shows up. It might not feel like it, but you are getting better!
  

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