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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Sep 29^th, 2016 at 8:21am	Print Post
	Head: executioner's. 17 seeker. Murder bonus. 11 insight SA. Neck: golden guile. Ghostly. Improved deception. Cloak: lgs. Hide/HP. Swap slot. Belt: legendary animated rope. SA (deception). Dodge. Gloves: Kenneth crafted. Double strike. Healing amplification. Insightful strength. Boots: slave craft. Strength. Armor piercing. Tendon slice. Quality strength. Bracers: slave craft. Constitution. Resistance. UMD. Quality Constitution. Armor: Celestial Avenger armor. Sheltering. Quality deadly. Parrying. Goggles: lgs. Unconscious range. Passive healing. Ring1: gnomewerk. Deadly. Accuracy. Melee power. Ring2: Kenneth crafting. Devotion Laura. Devotion. Insightful physical resistance. Trinket: epic litany. Main hand. Legendary greensteel. Healing amp. Insightful Constitution. Good blast. Mineral 2. SWAP. Balizarde. Offhand. Thunderforged. Vulnerability. Armor piercing. Draconic reinvigoration. Celestias. Crystal axes. Looking to make Kenneth crafted Metaline aligned.

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #1 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 10:34am	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 8:21am: Head: executioner's. 17 seeker. Murder bonus. 11 insight SA. Neck: golden guile. Ghostly. Improved deception. Cloak: lgs. Hide/HP. Swap slot. Belt: legendary animated rope. SA (deception). Dodge. Gloves: Kenneth crafted. Double strike. Healing amplification. Insightful strength. Boots: slave craft. Strength. Armor piercing. Tendon slice. Quality strength. Bracers: slave craft. Constitution. Resistance. UMD. Quality Constitution. Armor: Celestial Avenger armor. Sheltering. Quality deadly. Parrying. Goggles: lgs. Unconscious range. Passive healing. Ring1: gnomewerk. Deadly. Accuracy. Melee power. Ring2: Kenneth crafting. Devotion Laura. Devotion. Insightful physical resistance. Trinket: epic litany. Main hand. Legendary greensteel. Healing amp. Insightful Constitution. Good blast. Mineral 2. SWAP. Balizarde. Offhand. Thunderforged. Vulnerability. Armor piercing. Draconic reinvigoration. Celestias. Crystal axes. Looking to make Kenneth crafted Metaline aligned. Ring2 - No Slavers named ring?� That ring looks like garbage compared to http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Ring_of_Power � � Melee alacrity, Quality Strength, and Insightful armor piercing.� Neck - Golden Guile?� Really?� That old thing?� Lame.� Animated Rope?� On a Strength based melee?� What build is this for?� A heavy armor, strength based melee trying to maximize sneak attacks? No insightful deadly?� No Int or Charisma?� Is this a build that isn't using KtA or DM?� No insightful CM or stun?� Do we not like crowd control on melees anymore?� No slavers set?� So we are leaving +2 to strength, +4 damage per hit and +4 MP on the table?� To pick up a Golden Guile and an Animated Rope?� So you are missing: +7 Insight Deadly damage 15% melee Alacrity 13% Insight Armor Piercing A 28 lower Int or Charisma which means at least 7 points of damage per swing from KtA or DM.� Also off of your Stun/CC DC's +7 off DC's for no insight CM ( now up to about +14 missing. So much for CC'ing LE mobs...) +2 Strength +4 Damage (now up to about +18 base damage per hit missing in total) +4 MP And that doesn't even cover the weapons choices... Insight Con on a weapon.� Ugh.� Healing Amp on a weapon?� Double Ugh!� That's more DPS lost. No thanks.�
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platfarmchink Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 861 Joined: Feb 28^th, 2016	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #2 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 11:09am	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 8:21am: . Gloves: Kenneth crafted. Double strike. Healing amplification. Insightful strength. Ring2: Kenneth crafting. Devotion Laura. Devotion. Insightful physical resistance. Who is this Kenneth fellow and can he hook me up with some sweet crafting sharts?


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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #3 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 11:18am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 10:34am: Animated Rope? On a Strength based melee? What build is this for? A heavy armor, strength based melee trying to maximize sneak attacks? Dunno man. I'd say that 80% of attacks are on Mass held/pwsed/Direcharged/Balanced-Attacked mobs. SA is pretty fucking important. In Shroud, in Slavers. 33 base SA from helm + belt scaled with 150% melee power. On helpless mobs ...


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #4 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 11:38am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 11:18am: Dunno man. I'd say that 80% of attacks are on Mass held/pwsed/Direcharged/Balanced-Attacked mobs. SA is pretty fucking important. In Shroud, in Slavers. 33 base SA from helm + belt scaled with 150% melee power. On helpless mobs ... I love the helm.� No arguments there.� (Bonus points for the cosmetic on it)� But the guile is only giving you deception - a 5% chance to do sneaks (which you don't need for helpless mobs) and ghostly.� The belt and the +22 to SA damage is a nice add.� But: A)� This build has shit CC, so you aren't direcharging crap with it (unless we count LH, which, if that's your target for even posting a gear set, juts give up now).� Your DC's are off by 15-17.� So you are not soloing LE anything and attacking helpless mobs with any regularity.� You are dependent on running with a DC caster to get that damage.� B)� +22 SA damage vs. +18 base damage on all attacks?� I'll take the +18 base.� And the +4 MP.� And the 15% alacrity.� All of which benefit from the helpless state too.� Do the math: +22 * 80% = +18 per swing.� (rounded)� -IF you can find someone to create helpless states for you. +18 1.04 1.15 = +22 per swing (rounded)� Oh.� and the 4 MP and 15% melee alacrity add to ALL your damage.� So their benefit is magnified even more.� It's a slam dunk that it is adding more DPS.� Plus you now have the space to get more defense and to get the Stun/CM DC's up.� So you can create a� helpless state reliably on your own.� But even if you can't you are still getting the same damage either way.� It's not awful, but it's a one trick pony, not self sufficient, and sub-optimal.� There are better uses for these slots.�
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #5 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 7:41pm	Print Post
	Wow. Rather uncharitable aren't we? Take a chill pill. You are painting a picture that has nothing to do with the actual toon. I would honestly like to go through your points systematically. I'm using text to speech I'm driving all day today. I can address a couple of points now. Happily! I'm glad that you give a s*** about my toon.

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #6 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	I'm going to take the time to explain. The new ring has a penalty to hide. The bills I am using focuses on hide. I like the rain but there are better things to put there. That was the last straw I chose because I needed devotion. The tune you were talking about fish tanks part 2 shroud bosses ANH Le. It is a two weapon fighting Ranger. It does him know the angles. It also has the haste feat. I would recommend putting on goggles with it if need be.

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #7 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	Balazar is still the highest DPS one-hander. You should be using a shroud intelligence stick 4 know the angles. I keep balanced attacks on this tune. Of course a two-handed fighter would have a very different setup if she thought that he wanted tactics. I think that that's a silly idea when you can get no feel helpless with two weapon fighting AOE. Dance of Death is better than cleats in my opinion. But you know to each their own. I like build diversity.

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #8 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 7:58pm	Print Post
	Improved deception is the single most important defensive attribute when tanking on a two weapon fighter. The golden guile also swaps great with the insightful double strike necklace. I hope that I have charitably address your concerns because I really don't think you need to have a stick up your butt haha. We cool?

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #9 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	Post your gear Ash. The f****** idea was to quick ideas into the gearing Madness of this update. Still butt hurt?

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #10 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 8:04pm	Print Post
	I had A3 hour drive to work so f****** respond I am bored. Some days you give the world 15 hours.

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #11 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 12:14am	Print Post
	Hey, WFB, no offense meant on your build. I even asked what the build was because the gear choices weren't working for a straight up strength based melee. The inclusion of the SA gear and hide suggested some sort of DWS or Rogue build looking to maximize sneaks. Which is fine. Those builds are fun, but the title suggested a general purpose melee build. Since I didn't know, I picked the most common/optimal Strength Melee Build and suggested some gear mods for that. Maybe I came in with a misconception because I was thinking of a TWF Tempest or Kensai strength build in LD using Dire Charge and Stunning Blow and Balanced Attacks Lay waste to get people off their feet and then hand out some heavy beat downs.


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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #12 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 12:24am	Print Post
	And I just got home... FML

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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grimm Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 3 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2014	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #13 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 2:53am	Print Post



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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #14 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 6:05am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 10:34am: insightful deadly?� isnt that only on weapons? WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 8:21am: Head: executioner's. 17 seeker. Murder bonus. 11 insight SA. Neck: golden guile. Ghostly. Improved deception. Cloak: lgs. Hide/HP. Swap slot. Belt: legendary animated rope. SA (deception). Dodge. Gloves: Kenneth crafted. Double strike. Healing amplification. Insightful strength. Boots: slave craft. Strength. Armor piercing. Tendon slice. Quality strength. Bracers: slave craft. Constitution. Resistance. UMD[could take stunning 20 here for an extra 6]. Quality Constitution. Armor: Celestial Avenger armor. Sheltering. Quality deadly. Parrying. Goggles: lgs. Unconscious range. Passive healing. Ring1: gnomewerk. Deadly. Accuracy. Melee power. Ring2: Kenneth crafting. Devotion Laura. Devotion. Insightful physical resistance. Trinket: epic litany. Main hand. Legendary greensteel. Healing amp. Insightful Constitution. Good blast. Mineral 2. SWAP. Balizarde. Offhand. Thunderforged. Vulnerability. Armor piercing. Draconic reinvigoration. Celestias. Crystal axes. Looking to make Kenneth crafted Metaline aligned. seems good. no other way really to fit in insightful stats along with slavers, and still get ghostly/imp deception/hamp/stunning/sneak attack/. they actually fucked gearing with the new update. I'd have to get high and stare at tables for hours to play loot tetris now. pretty much why no one has posted new gear sets.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #15 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 8:43am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 11:38am: I love the helm.� No arguments there.� (Bonus points for the cosmetic on it)� But the guile is only giving you deception - a 5% chance to do sneaks (which you don't need for helpless mobs) and ghostly.� The belt and the +22 to SA damage is a nice add.� But: A)� This build has shit CC, so you aren't direcharging crap with it (unless we count LH, which, if that's your target for even posting a gear set, juts give up now).� Your DC's are off by 15-17.� So you are not soloing LE anything and attacking helpless mobs with any regularity.� You are dependent on running with a DC caster to get that damage.� B)� +22 SA damage vs. +18 base damage on all attacks?� I'll take the +18 base.� And the +4 MP.� And the 15% alacrity.� All of which benefit from the helpless state too.� Do the math: +22 * 80% = +18 per swing.� (rounded)� -IF you can find someone to create helpless states for you. +18 1.04 1.15 = +22 per swing (rounded)� Oh.� and the 4 MP and 15% melee alacrity add to ALL your damage.� So their benefit is magnified even more.� It's a slam dunk that it is adding more DPS.� Plus you now have the space to get more defense and to get the Stun/CM DC's up.� So you can create a� helpless state reliably on your own.� But even if you can't you are still getting the same damage either way.� It's not awful, but it's a one trick pony, not self sufficient, and sub-optimal.� There are better uses for these slots.� I'm 100% sure he's better at this game than you are. Though I don't agree with this gear setup 100% either.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #16 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 8:45am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 11:38am: I love the helm.� No arguments there.� (Bonus points for the cosmetic on it)� But the guile is only giving you deception - a 5% chance to do sneaks (which you don't need for helpless mobs) and ghostly.� You really are a special kind of stupid aren't you?


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #17 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 10:19am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 8:43am: I'm 100% sure he's better at this game than you are. Though I don't agree with this gear setup 100% either. I respect Wipe's opinion. I agree he is a good player. I'm not concerned with whether he is a better player than me or not. On this specific issue, I disagreed with the value of +22 SA damage vs. +18 base damage and 15% melee alacrity. I like having discussions with players I think are good players. If they prove me wrong, I learn something. I got no issue with that. Per usual, you don't add much of substance to the discussion. Just trollish insults.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #18 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 10:29am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 8:45am: You really are a special kind of stupid aren't you? Thanks for proving my point.� A scan of your last 10 posts shows that you add very little of value to any discussion.� Mostly bragging about how awesome you are, begging for PM's for exploits, and shit talking people trying to have a discussion about gear layouts.�
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #19 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 10:29am: Thanks for proving my point.� A scan of your last 10 posts shows that you add very little of value to any discussion.� Mostly bragging about how awesome you are, begging for PM's for exploits, and shit talking people trying to have a discussion about gear layouts.� Me saying nothing to a discussion adds more value than you writing volumes, you're that stupid.


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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #20 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 3:31pm	Print Post
	What the fuck with the hostility. You girls might play on one server one day ( and it might happen sooner that we think ).


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #21 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 3:31pm: You girls might play on one server one day ( and it might happen sooner that we think ). would love this. am going to pike on all you mofos. so hard. like, afk at door and grab snack, come back to loot chests only. that goldgopher goldgolem w/e his name will be making threads about ME!

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #22 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 4:24pm	Print Post
	We all know that you're rubbing one out while piking.

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #23 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 4:24pm: We all know that you're rubbing one out while piking. blatantly too. not even gonna act like im away from keyboard. just fapping while talking in party chat.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Melee set-ups. Post-slavers/cannith Reply #24 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	lmao

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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