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Racial past life template discussion
Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:42pm
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I think it's time to revisit the past life templates and update then for reaper and racial trs

Hurdles:
Different builds are needed to handle reaper 1s to 4s and 5s+

Different builds click at different points. Bards are very front heavy while throwers come into their own much later, repeaters are solid all the way through

Most races don't have the human bonus feat, while most builds  assume human and do, so class spots without bonus frats will suffer a little more.

Hirelings:
The proper hireling  use and strategy can make reaper easier.s best hirelings for level range when applicable.

Movement speed is at a premium the highe you go in reaper skulls, and the faster you can Zerg lower level skulls.
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Re: Racial past life template discussion
Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 2:03pm
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pure barb, every race
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pure warlock, every race

barb is better early on and stays good
warlock warms up at level 6

both have temp hp, movement speed and good aoe + single target

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18 lock 1 barb 1 artie.
Use xbow in lowbies before eldritch becomes more useful and you get that chain bshit shape.

(i hate warlocks but il prolly do this bshit for 30 times yay)
  
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Lelouch wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 7:12pm:
18 lock 1 barb 1 artie.
Use xbow in lowbies before eldritch becomes more useful and you get that chain bshit shape.

(i hate warlocks but il prolly do this bshit for 30 times yay)


I think you gimp yourself a little too much there. To get max benefit early levels, you have to take barb and artificer first. So at levels 4 to 7 you're still a level 1 artificer, with marginal ap spent
  
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Pure Monk seems to me like it's pretty strong most of the way through1-20 but it's been a while since I did one of those lives
  
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SpaceGoat wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 1:31am:
I think you gimp yourself a little too much there. To get max benefit early levels, you have to take barb and artificer first. So at levels 4 to 7 you're still a level 1 artificer, with marginal ap spent


Xbow ftw at those levels, trap bonus adds up with breakables in reaper runs.
And since its a  template i assume its a r1 build /because as it is now running anything higher is pointless if you want efficiency. And you need to min max only if you run r5+ in lowbie heroics.
Only issue is what pact to pick tbh, prolly fire since fire and sonic are only options with barb mix.

Since another build that i totally enjoy is 18 sorc 1 barb 1 artie you can craft fire slavers gear and swap between those 2 builds as the primary stats are all the same.
(sadly you get wings at lv 14 with that split but god its freaking fast once you get it)
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:43am
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r3 isn't bad,
at r4 I started failing

you're probably right
an r1 zerg is most efficient for PLs but...

R1 is easier than elite once you get some points in the CON tree.

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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:43am:
r3 isn't bad,
at r4 I started failing

you're probably right
an r1 zerg is most efficient for PLs but...

R1 is easier than elite once you get some points in the CON tree.


There will probably a meta list of which quests to run on which reaper range. I.e. Proof is in the poison vs catacombs
  
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:43am:
R1 is easier than elite once you get some points in the CON tree.

Long before that, actually.  Running R1 as a caster means topping up spell points using the lost souls and never worrying how long away the next shrine is.

But the con tree does seem to be the best.  I had 5 points in caster and did a re-think comparing the 1 DC (the +1 stat bumped me to an even number) and 6 measly USP I got vs the hp in the con tree and happily respecced.
  

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Too much thought going into this. Why not just go as a buffing and healbot cleric? I can't imagine you'll have a hard time finding a party to low to mid skull through some lives fast. Go ahead and destruction some trash while you're at it if it makes you feel better.
  

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spathic wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:31pm:
Too much thought going into this. Why not just go as a buffing and healbot cleric? I can't imagine you'll have a hard time finding a party to low to mid skull through some lives fast. Go ahead and destruction some trash while you're at it if it makes you feel better.

To slow and inefficient..
Useless til bb.

Although i think its to soon to talk about this.
Maybe they screw us over with how to get racial hearts.
I fear the silence they are using for this update.
Usually wed get important stuff up to discussion on official threads, but this bshit nope.
We expect it to be same as regular hearts, but you never know with devs in this game
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Frank wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Long before that, actually.  Running R1 as a caster means topping up spell points using the lost souls and never worrying how long away the next shrine is.

But the con tree does seem to be the best.  I had 5 points in caster and did a re-think comparing the 1 DC (the +1 stat bumped me to an even number) and 6 measly USP I got vs the hp in the con tree and happily respecced.


This.

The old cliché rings true in Reaper: Your DPS is 0 when you're dead.

Grim Barricade early and often. Especially in the low levels, when even the best tricked out toon can be OHKO'd by a Niac's Cold Ray from a champ or Reaper.
  

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My Drow Tempest got a nice buff with the update. The Half-orc changes look like they could as well, any weapon brutality has to be great.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 7:25am
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spathic wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:31pm:
Too much thought going into this. Why not just go as a buffing and healbot cleric? I can't imagine you'll have a hard time finding a party to low to mid skull through some lives fast. Go ahead and destruction some trash while you're at it if it makes you feel better.



You are kind of right...sort of.  I rolled up a DG but instead of leveling to 14 I stopped at 1Wiz/1FVS and started doing R1S lvl 2s and went from there. I'm @ 1Wiz/17FVS now and about 4k from my 10th point.

It was realllllly slow going trying to melee in the lower levels feeling my way through and getting used to Reaper at my own pace.  I felt like smashing my face with a brick would have been time better spent.  The scaling of Champ abilities + Reaper Slow effects + mediocre melee was frustrating to say the least.

However, Khyber turned out tho have a robust low heroic @ lvl Reaper scene from level 2 to about level 13 or so then petered out.  During that time I healed party after party and gained RXP quickly.

I prefer to solo almost exclusively and rarely put up lfms.  If something looks good with players I am a least a little familiar with I'll join time permitting. 

Not everyone enjoys healing.  However, spamming spell, spell, wand, scroll etc to keep multiple part members alive was about as fun as spamming caster dps spells.  Except you get 5 more targets that you can attack with positive energy that arn't trying to kill you.

I am planning 1 more FVS and 2 Cleric lives with 1 more DG and 2 more Morninglord on my main.

My main alt is 20 Drow Lock with 3 of each relevant caster PLs + 3PDK, 3ML, 2BF.

Gonna ETR then RTR to Dragonborn Lock @ lunch today to get some Reaper XP on this toon and have something I can fuck shit up with while keeping an eye on lfm for groups my FVS can join. 

1Barb/1Arti/18Lock seems pretty GD keen but gonna do a pure Lock with this Dragonborn and goto 30 for the EPLs.


  

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Reply #16 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:08am
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spathic wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:31pm:
Too much thought going into this. Why not just go as a buffing and healbot cleric? I can't imagine you'll have a hard time finding a party to low to mid skull through some lives fast. Go ahead and destruction some trash while you're at it if it makes you feel better.


Because it's for low skulls. And to depend on pugs is not a good deal. Last time I lvled a healbot it was a pain.

Also getting in the parties is not the problem. Hardly you wil be denyied form any, doesn't matter what build.
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I like to start at lv 2 capped. Warlock. Enough AP for chain and some pact damage. With racial PL now, pushing the focus a bit back to heroic xp instead of reaper xp, probably it's wise to start at lv 3 capped, to start harbor with the foot on the door: 2d6 eldritch blast + 3d6 pact + chain (lv 3 gives you 12 AP, enough for 3 pact damage and chain).

At 5 or 6 respec to cone, 12 AP for cone rest max pact damage.

At 12 respec for aura, with all the good stuff in ES + rest in TS.

Pure because you get more damage at low lvs, staunch at 6, displacement at 7, tentacles at 10, dd at 11, 3 seconds aura at 12 (+2 saves debuff) circle at 13 (right in time for GH and amrath). Then thrall at 15, wail at 16 (wheloon and vale), and Spirit at 18 for 3d6 more light proc and float, and Finger at 19.

Some people prefer the runnig speed, but I think delaying all that stuff 1 lv is not worth getting 10% running speed, and delaying 2 is not worth the boosts + 10% running speed. Those APs for boost are costly too, at low lvs. And at mid lv the action boost bonus to speed with consume is decent.

If you are playing R3-5, I value more getting the spells earlier and having more damage than running faster (for example at lv 18 you're doing 4d6 less light/evil if you splash 2: 10d6 instead of 14d6).

I liked acid more, because it's will based, and too much resistance to fire. Also, thrall has a high DC at heroics, it's very useful to use on carnages or plagues as a defense button. Didn't find hurl as useful as I was excepting.

Of course if you just want to get racial PLs fast it's best to splash barb and play R1 at bb range, but I don't see the point in capping racial PLs in 90 days then having nothing to do (or having to farm rxp because you barely got any).
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Reply #18 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:32am
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Id like to add sorc to the list, in mid levels and high levels its god tier for reaper.
Its the only class i know off that is capable of pulling off easy 7-10 skull solos of some quests without any issue.
Its terrible in low levels but later on it picks up.
Suggest  to do r1-2 til you get your lv 4 spells and then you can increase it to r3-4 and later on can do some quests on r7-10.
(im almost done with such a life, so its a practical advice from gameplay experience)

Guildie did barb, it is very solid for r3 runs, in reaper 4+ it has issues to keep the damage and in high tier  levels it is bad.
Cant kill fast enough to rely on healing and the temp hp melt to fast.
So its a good early/mid levels build but bad later on.

Warlock is terrible, close to useless and prolly one of the worst classes for high tier lowbies, it doesnt do spectaculary in mid tier high skull reaper but its ok, in high tier its kinda the same as sorc, just lower casting speed.
But for low skull its prolly the best.

Also i agree with above that splashing might not be good in the end / i was thinking 1 ranger level in case sp boost is still bugged, havent really tested/ .

Need to test other ranged options, anything with cc is good, maybe even a swasch/monk and shield palie/fighter

//need alternate options, doing only sorc/lock would be terrible for our mental state
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Lelouch wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:32am:
swasch/monk


Can't multiclass bard monk due to alignment restriction.
  
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Lelouch wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:32am:
Need to test other ranged options, anything with cc is good, maybe even a swasch/monk and shield palie/fighter



Hate to be the bearer of bad news but monks have to be lawful and Bards have to be chaotic. You must be new to the game, swashbuckler/monk was the same thing I would dream about when I started playing. Honestly tho it would be crazy OP
  
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hydra wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 3:36pm:
Can't multiclass bard monk due to alignment restriction.


Didnt mean a multi, but specificaly bard something swa builds and monk something wraps builds
focusing on cc. One of those 2 builds.
Sorry if it came out incorrectly written, language barrier.
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Lelouch wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:32am:
Id like to add sorc to the list, in mid levels and high levels its god tier for reaper.
Its the only class i know off that is capable of pulling off easy 7-10 skull solos of some quests without any issue.
Its terrible in low levels but later on it picks up.
Suggest  to do r1-2 til you get your lv 4 spells and then you can increase it to r3-4 and later on can do some quests on r7-10.
(im almost done with such a life, so its a practical advice from gameplay experience)

Guildie did barb, it is very solid for r3 runs, in reaper 4+ it has issues to keep the damage and in high tier  levels it is bad.
Cant kill fast enough to rely on healing and the temp hp melt to fast.
So its a good early/mid levels build but bad later on.

Warlock is terrible, close to useless and prolly one of the worst classes for high tier lowbies, it doesnt do spectaculary in mid tier high skull reaper but its ok, in high tier its kinda the same as sorc, just lower casting speed.
But for low skull its prolly the best.

Also i agree with above that splashing might not be good in the end / i was thinking 1 ranger level in case sp boost is still bugged, havent really tested/ .

Need to test other ranged options, anything with cc is good, maybe even a swasch/monk and shield palie/fighter

//need alternate options, doing only sorc/lock would be terrible for our mental state


+1 am on the same page as you man
good shit

doing LOCK atm and I think sorc is better.....
  

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Buddy has been running over 100 AC on his monk and he rarely gets hit.
When he does its very easy to heal him, but even he starts getting overwhelmed when you enter one-shotting territory.

For that reason the Sorc-Nukage, distance, casting-speed, and SP pool makes it amazeballs.

In high reaper charms are invaluable for initiating fights. The mobs clump nicely around one mob and you can land your stuff with impunity.
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Am not a big fan of dragon-breath in heroics. Doesn't scale well enough. In epics once you get some spellpower (and even more caster levels) I feel like it will pick up.

Or else its the equivalent of two warlock cone-blasts...

This is tested on a Warlock. If the dragon breath benefits from Sorc Caster levels it may be much more valuable.
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