Speaks for itself...

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/488181-400-Shards-seemingly-wasted-on-...

Meh *shrug*.. they went to ML14.. so now you can craft same.. (bonus + insightful bonus=10 @ lvlv 14) Into the locker they went.

Their usefulness @ lvl1 was only slightly reduced by their tendency to break when someone sneezed in the same room, but they were still nice.

Has +10 stat item at level 14 and is complaining?  Sounds like a nice item to me.   Also, did he think the no ml +10 int item was legit?   Come on.  There's gullible and then there is head in the sand  stupid.

Asheras wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 9:50am:


Sure.  However, I think it's a bigger problem that the owner of the cash auction did nothing about
busted stuff on there for literally years, took their cut then ret-conned the desirability out of
that stuff.  That's a cunt's trick.

How much culpability does SSG have in these situations where the seller is a player and the buyer is a player?

A lot of focus is made on the AH 30% house rake on transactions, but it's not like the 30% take on a handful of transactions (even at 400 shards price) is really a huge money maker or anything.  We are talking peanuts.  That is hardly a motivating factor for SSG. 

This has been going on for years.

What is SSG's responsibility when players were selling sands scrolls in the weeks prior to the release or immediately after the release where you could trade 3 of any for 1?  Or when they released deadly random items that made Dream Visor complete junk when, before the release it was best in slot for melee?  Players who are paying attention can often find opportunities to cast off formerly desirable gear at a premium on players who are not aware that the item is no longer worthwhile or that the item will soon devalue greatly.  Especially when the opportunity is based on duping, an exploit, or known non-WAI features?

Let's take the case of the no ML items:  What are people thinking SSG should do to prevent players getting screwed by scumbags who are selling stuff they know will change in a day or week?  Should SSG write code to prevent them from being listed on the AH/ASAH?  Should they monitor the AH/ASAH?  Should they start policing the AH/ASAH?  That's a can of worms.  People get screwed all the time there.  Where is the line?  What is buyer's remorse?  What is an unethical transaction?  That's a lot of grey areas and very little black and white area. 

It is easy to point out the problems and to cast shade at the situation.  But identifying problems is easy.  Finding solutions, ones that really work, is much more difficult. 

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 3:03pm:


Not trying to.  Just trying to ascertain what the community feels is the amount of culpability.  If the community of players feels SSG needs to act as a police force on player behavior then they should either:

A) Dedicate the resources to implement tracking on transactions, police transactions, and reverse fraudulent transactions and issue bans (maybe just of the auction house, but maybe game bans) for repeat offenders.

or

B)  Change the AH and work all transactions like the brokers.  Everything has a stated game value  You can keep your loot or sell it for the game decided value.  If you sell it, another player can buy it at a game decided value.  Sellers can't set prices and Buyers can't bid.

To me, option A is an expensive PITA and you will end up with people with buyer's remorse or going on drunk buying sprees or selling sprees wanting you to undo their own stupidity.  Given the nature of anon internet assholes, I'd go with option B.

Revaulting wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:


SSG didn't force the seller to knowingly list it for a higher value when the seller knew the value was dropping dramatically in a week or two.  SSG didn't force the buyer to spend more than the item's value because they were unaware of the documented, communicated value change. 

I'm fine with saying SSG has some culpability, but 100% is a bit much.  The seller could have been cool and sold it for a reasonable price.  The Buyer could have said "maybe this is too good to be true"  I'm gonna ask some guildies, search the forums, check the wiki.  You have to give each of them some culpability.  Even if it is only 5%?  10%?  100% on SSG is unreasonable. 

Here's another possible fix:  Make Auctions public.  Require the seller's character name and guild name be visible.  That way everyone can see those sellers listing ML:0 items the day before the update for 1000 shards and know who the dirtbags are.  If you had to own the fact that you were openly trying to cheat other players, it might limit how many people engage in that activity. 

Revaulting wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:


This, exactly.

no. wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:


What about the seller who knew he was screwing over another player?  It's cool to be an anonymous selfish dick, right?  Because...internet.  Still bullshit. 

I'd say SSG should take the item from the buyer, give him back all his 400 shards, give the item back to the seller, take away the 400  shards, and give the seller a 1 week vacation for being a dick.

There are always guys who are going to try and cheat the system.. get justice when opportunities present themselves.

Knew a guy who doesn't play any more, never would stfu about how his characters were so godamn awesome. One night we are all together getting ready to do some serious farming... and hes wanting time to power stack all that bullshit onto his wraps.. we let him get all good and ready, then we dump a pile of Wonder Potions on him and leave him at the entrance

So moral of the story, if it looks too good to be true it probably, it probably is.

I'm not falling for that bottle of air in the AH....not me, no way.

I think a better solution would have been to just prevent them from being repaired, and not fixable by the adamantine ritual either

Asheras wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:


That's a great statement.  I've been wishing that one for years.  I'd probably sell a lot more goods if I had a mule up with my tag.  Like the bazaar in EverQuest.

I also wish they would have merged all the servers auctions together like City Of Hero's did.  Good times.

My shitty two cents.  A lv 14 +10 int anything is still (2) better then anything you can make in cannith crafting for lv 14 (8).  Also you can stack a +3 insightful in a different slot & a +1 quality slayers on top of that.  So, a +14 int at lv 14 is pretty fucking sweet.  Even lv 18 crafting is not good enough for a lv 14, +10 item.  best you can make is a 9 int, 4 insightful.  So.  My 2 cents.  What a fucking whiner.  Pull your head out of your ass and reliaze what you have is fucking OP.  So many people do not have any.  waah I paid 400 shards for a godly piece of gear, but I cannot put it on with my thumb in my ass.  I need both hands.