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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Stacking damage vs Stats Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:10am	Print Post
	Curious, how much is a point (technically 2 pts, +1 I guess) worth to a stat when it comes to damage? Is there a break down of how much damage each plus to str (for example - or dex, or int - depending on your build) gives in damage? I know you should give more importance (usually) to damage on every swing over triggering damage (1d6 is going to be better in the long run than 1d20 that only triggers on one attack every 3 seconds - unless I'm wrong about that too). But is there an overall rough estimate? If you've got the choice between 3d6 per hit vs adding two points to str (a base +1 to damage), which is going to give you more damage in the long run?

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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #1 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:35am	Print Post
	Pumping the ability that is used for damage (usually strength) is a noble endeavor. However, as you said, +2 to ability only yields 1 damage (1.5 for THF, or 0.5 for offhand) This means, for two handed fighting, main ability score is more important than for TWF. Getting direct bonuses to damage seems to be worth more. For example, let's say you have a character using the heroic claw set (http://ddowiki.com/page/Category:Vulkoor%27s_Might_items), +3 artifact to hit and damage; +5 str. For a TWF build, you'd need a +11 or +13 strength item to replace the lost damage from claw set. For a THF build, a +9 strength item would almost match it. However, if you're using tactics, then pumping your main stat has an additional benefit. Extra damage dice (flaming, etc.) add up. One thing to remember is that on Reaper difficulty, these get rounded down (often to 0). So big numbers are worth more than small numbers.


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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #2 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 8:06am	Print Post
	crunch wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:35am: Extra damage dice (flaming, etc.) add up. One thing to remember is that on Reaper difficulty, these get rounded down (often to 0). So big numbers are worth more than small numbers. That's a really good point. It also got me thinking though, on the flip side - when it comes to monsters with unbreakable DR (as many of the champions seem to have), the effect damage would be worth more than the base damage, right? The base damage is getting absorbed by the DR, but the stacking damage isn't?

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #3 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:42am	Print Post
	Don't forget that base damage scales with criticals and melee power. With a good crit profile you can double each +1 on average and then endgame melee power can multiply that by 3 for potentially a 6:1 base damage vs (non-scaling) proc damage weight.

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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #4 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:55am	Print Post
	The most broken things in game have achieved some of the above in combination with a broken hits per second. Wolf Thrower Monk (Unarmed) Shiradi Endless Fusilade? (We're all fascinated) The above have gone through various phases of nerfing, balancing, and OP-ness. PM sir Ruby for some Thrower bananas atm; however, they are absolute piss in heroics so you probably wanna level them as TWF and then LR.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #5 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:55am: PM sir Ruby for some Thrower bananas atm What you got, Nubbinns?

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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #6 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 12:15pm: What you got, Nubbinns? That's not how PMs work. That's not how PMs have ever worked

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #7 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:03pm	Print Post
	Skoodge wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 5:47pm: That's not how PMs work. That's not how PMs have ever worked� yeh, wtf? gotta at least send me dick pics, bro

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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #8 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:04pm	Print Post
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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #9 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:14pm	Print Post
	crunch wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:35am: Extra damage dice (flaming, etc.) add up. One thing to remember is that on Reaper difficulty, these get rounded down (often to 0). So big numbers are worth more than small numbers. This is also another feather in the cap of Vorpal and Keen II-IV weapons. The [W] increase makes your base damage number bigger, before being hit with the reaper penalty.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8852 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #10 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:30pm	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:14pm: This is also another feather in the cap of Vorpal and Keen II-IV weapons.� The [W] increase makes your base damage number bigger, before being hit with the reaper penalty. Love how the loot table has Keen II-IV but Cannith Crafting only lets you make a generic, non-scaling Keen.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #11 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:03pm: yeh, wtf? gotta at least send me dick pics, bro PM sent.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8852 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #12 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Whats interesting about this discussion to me is that it highlights some key differences in building for reaper content vs building for HE/EE. Learning some useful stuff. This might make for a valuable wiki article if we can build a useful consensus.

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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #13 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 4:13pm: This might make for a valuable wiki article if we can build a useful consensus. Why bother?� You wouldn't read it even if it were on a wiki page.� Most of the stuff you ask is answered on the wiki already.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8852 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #14 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 8:12pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 6:54pm: Why bother?� You wouldn't read it even if it were on a wiki page.� Most of the stuff you ask is answered on the wiki already. Didja take that programming class yet?

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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #15 - Sep 16^th, 2017 at 12:46am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 8:12pm: Didja take that programming class yet? Since you're such a wiz, maybe you could code some common sense and wiki reading ability for yourself.� Failing that, maybe code a spoon for everyone to feed you with.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8852 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #16 - Sep 16^th, 2017 at 1:08am	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Sep 16^th, 2017 at 12:46am: Since you're such a wiz, maybe you could code some common sense and wiki reading ability for yourself.� Failing that, maybe code a spoon for everyone to feed you with. Seriously man, one coding class. One night a week, 8-12 weeks. It'll change your life. Not, ya know, a lot, but one class. It'll enrich you.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Stacking damage vs Stats Reply #17 - Sep 16^th, 2017 at 12:16pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Sep 16^th, 2017 at 1:08am: Seriously man, one coding class. One night a week, 8-12 weeks. It'll change your life. Not, ya know, a lot, but one class. It'll enrich you. Based on the quality of your posts and your claim about knowing code, you'll have to forgive me but I don't believe you. If anything, it would apparently make me stupid.


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