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Reply #75 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:33pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 12:05pm:
Today I played 5/10 games against Teferi decks.

I am so fucking sick of those decks. The matches take forever, and sometimes the assholes don't even run a fucking win condition.

I am done with constructed until this shit goes away. Holy fuck is it fucking retarded.


Yeah, that BS is annoying.

You could try running a different deck for a while though. The matching algorithm provides wildly different matchups to play against for all of my decks.
  

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Reply #76 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 7:50am
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Arena has caused mtgo prices to crash in the last year. Now is a great time to buy in to mtgo if you enjoy playing Legacy and Vintage. Quick estimate is around 500 dollars to buy the entire Legacy and Vintage format. That is like every major deck in both formats. Obviously both formats have majority overlap of cards. Just different banned and restricted lists. Around 2 years ago the price to buy both formats would have been close to 5k~.
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Reply #77 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:18am
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I'm expecting Arena to gradually expand backwards, just as MtgO did...so if what you are saying is true, MtGO should inevitably go under or transition to free to play.
  

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Reply #78 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 2:22pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:18am:
I'm expecting Arena to gradually expand backwards, just as MtgO did...so if what you are saying is true, MtGO should inevitably go under or transition to free to play.

You can check mtgo prices on mtggoldfish by sorting to online price tab over the deck lists when you check the legacy/vintage meta decks. Paper price toggle is hysterical. Legacy decks go from 2k-6k. And vintage is like 15k-30k.

Back when I bought all the decks to both formats it cost me 5 digits on mtgo circa 2010-2012. Very few cards since then have been released that are worth buying for these formats. 

It would take years for arena to become eternal friendly. They would focus on the modern format at first. Arena is years away from being able to play Legacy and Vintage. I would say around 5+ years at least.
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Reply #79 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 2:43pm
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If you ever thought about the deck in legacy here are a few of the top decks in the format.

You can hover over a card on goldfish to see the pop up for it if you do not know them.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-miracles-37971#paper

Miracles is a control deck that relies on 1 mana Terminus to clear the board ( which ignores every immunity and simply places all creatures on bottom of decks ). It was for many years (2012 iirc?) the best deck in the format until Sensei's Diving Top got banned ( crazy soft lock with Counterbalance denying you 1/2 mana spells as the deck make up is largely 1/2 mana cost). Now it is merely one of the best decks. 

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-ad-nauseam-tendrils-24413#paper

Storm is the combo deck of choice for most Legacy. It is fast, resilient, explosive, and difficult to pilot correctly. The deck uses discard spells to clear the way for the winning turn, while sculpting its hand with cantrips. The interaction of Lion's Eye Diamond and Infernal Tutor form a combo of sorts that turns Tutor into a Demonic Tutor and LED into a Black Lotus. The kill card is a Tendrils of Agony.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-sneak-and-show-24417#paper

Sneak and Show is a polarizing deck. With either really good match ups or really bad ones. But due to its combo nature it can squeeze wins against anything. The deck is simple and easy to pick up. The combo is Show and Tell Griselbrand or Emrakul into play on turn 1/2/3 or 4 with counter back up as protection. This deck and Storm would be horrible to play on ladder as best of ones. As they do really well on short round events ( 4-7 main rounds~ ).

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-grixis-delver-53699#paper

Grixis Delver is a tempo deck that looks to trade its cards 1 for 1 while beating you down with a 1 mana 3/2 flyer. Delver is aids. But also one of the bestd ecks because the game plan is so consistent. It has answers for every thing and a fast clock.
  

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Reply #80 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 11:08am
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Mono White aggro:

4x Ajani's Welcome
1x Haazda Marshal
4x Healer's Hawk
4x Leonin Vanguard
4x Ajani's Pridemate
4x History of Benalia
4x Resplendent Angel
1x Baird, Steward of Argive
4x Ixalan's Binding
4x Settle the Wreckage
22x Plains

It's pretty good. Feels like it's missing something though. Mainly card draw. Makes it really hard to recover after you run out of steam, even if you're up to 30-40 life.

So what should I add? Revitalize? And what should I drop?
  

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Reply #81 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:41pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 11:08am:
Mono White aggro:

4x Ajani's Welcome
1x Haazda Marshal
4x Healer's Hawk
4x Leonin Vanguard
4x Ajani's Pridemate
4x History of Benalia
4x Resplendent Angel
1x Baird, Steward of Argive
4x Ixalan's Binding
4x Settle the Wreckage
22x Plains

It's pretty good. Feels like it's missing something though. Mainly card draw. Makes it really hard to recover after you run out of steam, even if you're up to 30-40 life.

So what should I add? Revitalize? And what should I drop?

Prolly a Planeswalker. They are a recurring source of card advantage. Not much you can do in white to draw.

New set releases April 25th on Arena. Ahead of paper release. The set War of the Spark is centered on the war that the planeswalkers have been waging. The set features 36 planeswalkers, never printed before. This is going to change every format in Magic.
  

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Reply #82 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 1:00am
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2x Legion's Landing and then 1x Dawn of Hope.
Token generation is a decent mana sink.
Maybe drop Haazda and then a single settle and ixalan's?
I feel like you could go more agro and put in conclave tribunal instead of the ixalans and then drop settle all together. Or go more midrange and throw in a few copies of lyra.

The bugler 3 drop can call most of the stuff you're playing but he's competing with things like benalia and angel. The one drop or two drop spots are better IMO.

Benalish and Loxodon are also options here. I like the invulnerability anthems as well since they prevent needing to rebuild in the first place. I'm running a Heroic Reinforcements deck with 3 copies of "make a stand" to survive gates ablaze and kaya's wrath. I just leave the mana to cast it open on turn 4 and 5.

A one off copy of "on serra's wings' would be hilarious for your pridemates.
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Reply #83 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 12:08pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:41pm:
Prolly a Planeswalker. They are a recurring source of card advantage. Not much you can do in white to draw.


Even the white planeswalkers don't do much for cards. I guess there's always Karn. Maybe splash blue for Teferi.

Maybe:
4x Ajani's Welcome
1x Haazda Marshal
4x Healer's Hawk
4x Leonin Vanguard
4x Ajani's Pridemate
4x Revitalize
4x History of Benalia
4x Resplendent Angel
1x Baird, Steward of Argive
4x Ixalan's Binding
4x Settle the Wreckage
20x Plains

Or:
4x Ajani's Welcome
1x Haazda Marshal
4x Healer's Hawk
4x Leonin Vanguard
4x Ajani's Pridemate
4x Revitalize
4x History of Benalia
4x Resplendent Angel
1x Baird, Steward of Argive
3x Ixalan's Binding
2x Karn, Scion of Urza
3x Settle the Wreckage
20x Plains

Rubbinns wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:41pm:
The set features 36 planeswalkers, never printed before. This is going to change every format in Magic.


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Reply #84 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 4:53pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
Even the white planeswalkers don't do much for cards. I guess there's always Karn. Maybe splash blue for Teferi.

Not direct draw, just a source of card advantage that does more than a single thing because it activates every turn.

Ajani, Gideon and Elspeth are the white plameswalkers. They usually make tokens, buff creatures, or turn into a creature in Gideon's case. Some versions of Elspeth and Gideon have mass removal.

I think m19 Ajani 2WW is standard legal. Buffs 2 creatures or returns a creature from gy to play.
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Reply #85 - Apr 13th, 2019 at 2:58pm
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Since yesterday night I've been no-lifing the ladder. Huzzah!



From platinum to Diamond(2), I used either a Boros Angels list or an Urza's Ruinous Blast list in best of 1.

At about Diamond 2 I stalled out so I switched over to best of 3 using mono-blue. I feel that mono-blue is heavily favored in that setting since most people are running control variants and you can royally fuck up their drops.

The Urza's Ruinous Blast list is a ton of fun but not super competitive. I could win most agro and mid-range match-ups via Lyra / Shalai / Aurelia. The life-link and hexproof really fuck-up mono-red. This makes both mid-range angel decks decent for laddering.



The ruinous blast list is Jeskai. (Blue / Red / White). The win condition is going face with a Lyra or other over-stated card. The deck's trick is to stall out the board state and let the enemy accumulate threats until you drop an ASYMMETRIC board wipe, or simply out value them. I have three late-game draw engine cards. Two copies of Immortal Sun, and one copy of Azorious Law bringer. I included a copy of Cleansing Nova because 4 board wipes is just not enough. Four board wipes is a 1/15 chance-per-card of seeing a wipe and five board wipes is a 1/12 chance-per-card of seeing a board wipe. By turn five you've drawn five cards, so you have a better chance than not to get a wrath by that time. I considered running settle the wreckage but I really dislike holding the mana open. It's too obvious. I also don't really want to thin out their lands and my card quality is much higher than the average deck---so clearing the board at turn five is not really a big deal.

At the 1 drop slot I have two fountains of renewal.
At the 2 drop slot I have 4 copies of gleaming barrier to keep me alive and help me mana-fix.
At the 3 drop slot I have 2 copies of Sai (a 1/4 blocker) and 2 copies of Tajic (prevents non-combat damage to Shalai). I also have a one-off copy of Danitha for using with the Blackblade.
From then on out its big angels.

Creatures (20 total)
4 Gleaming Barrier (RIX) 178
1 Danitha Capashen, Paragon (DAR) 12
2 Sai, Master Thopterist (M19) 69
2 Tajic, Legion's Edge (GRN) 204
2 Aurelia, Exemplar of Justice (GRN) 153
4 Shalai, Voice of Plenty (DAR) 35
1 Baird, Steward of Argive (DAR) 4
3 Lyra Dawnbringer (DAR) 26
1 Azor, the Lawbringer (RIX) 154

Sorceries and Instants
4 Urza's Ruinous Blast (DAR) 39
1 Cleansing Nova (M19) 9
2 In Bolas's Clutches (DAR) 54
1 Dive Down (XLN) 53

Artifacts:
2 Fountain of Renewal (M19) 235
1 Blackblade Reforged (DAR) 211 If you throw this on any legendary creature it can win you the game.
2 The Immortal Sun (RIX) 180

Land (27 total but evolving wilds thins the deck):
3 Evolving Wilds (RIX) 186
7 Plains (RIX) 192
5 Island (RIX) 193
4 Mountain (RIX) 195
1 Glacial Fortress (XLN) 255
1 Sulfur Falls (DAR) 247
3 Clifftop Retreat (DAR) 239
1 Steam Vents (GRN) 257
1 Hallowed Fountain (RNA) 251
1 Sacred Foundry (GRN) 254

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I tried an Abzan version of the deck with fungal creatures and Kaya but I felt that it was a little less consistent but better matched against control and Dimir. Dimir is a fucking nightmare using angels. Hostage take-over on a shalai or lyra can end the game for me, and then there's thief-of-sanity. I think any deck with high card quality though will run into problems against dimir. It's to the point where I concede upon being thought erasure'd if I'm running angels. You can't win 'em all.
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Reply #86 - Apr 26th, 2019 at 2:22pm
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New set is up. See anything good?
  

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Reply #87 - Apr 26th, 2019 at 4:18pm
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Am digging Krenko. If you can get haste on turn 3 from a motivator, or Samut Sprint on him on turn 4 he's bananas. I'm playin' him in Heroic Reinforcements in Standard Constructed.







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The new set is in a direction that WotC has never really went with before. Planeswalkers that have asymmetrical abilities and are low costed. Walkers are already harder to interact with relatively than most other permanents.

This set is going to shake up the older formats, a lot.
  

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Reply #89 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 10:27am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Apr 26th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Am digging Krenko. If you can get haste on turn 3 from a motivator, or Samut Sprint on him on turn 4 he's bananas. I'm playin' him in Heroic Reinforcements in Standard Constructed.


That's a sweet card. Good in Goblins. Good in Cavalcade.

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The new set is in a direction that WotC has never really went with before. Planeswalkers that have asymmetrical abilities and are low costed. Walkers are already harder to interact with relatively than most other permanents.

This set is going to shake up the older formats, a lot.


Atraxa EDH is going to have a field day.

At first I thought it was weird that they made so many with no + ability. But then there's all these cards in the set with Proliferate to give em counters.

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People on MTGO are hating the limited experience of this set. A lot of matches are ending in stalemate draws due to the power level of every draft/sealed pool having 20 bombs to pick from. Few people have already finished their drafts at 0-0-3 draws or 0-1-2.
  

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Reply #91 - Apr 28th, 2019 at 10:46am
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That sucks. I had been been saving up my coins to do a draft spree.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 10:46am:
That sucks. I had been been saving up my coins to do a draft spree.

It's subjective. You might enjoy that type of play style of long, drawn out, value-centric games. Or you can draw the nuts and just bury your opponent if they stop casting their own bombs.

Liliana seems to be the highest rated card in the limited formats.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/war-of-the-spark-is-one-of-the-most-pow...

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/a-very-early-pick-order-list-for-war-of...

The breakout stars for Legacy and Vintage so far are Karn, Narset, and Teferi. Karn is analogous to Null Rod or Stony Silence, which are symmetrical effects, historically. While those were enchantments and artifacts, Karn is not. Karn is also asymmetric, and can generate further value off its abilities. Null Rod is huge in Vintage to shut off Time Vault infinite combo and Lotus/Moxen.

Teferi's effect has been printed before, but never on a walker with additional value generating abilities. Narset is similar to them, as well.
  

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Reply #93 - Apr 28th, 2019 at 3:40pm
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The proliferate mechanic can be very strong in blue/green.
If you get enough support it can be worth ignoring even decent rares in other colors.
I think white is particularly awful. Even with Gideon and Oketra it's trash IMO. I mean it's possible to get a Gideon AND an Oketra but even then...

The Flying 3 drop that amasses once and wardscale croc are great. If you can get counters on Croc he can win you the game on his own.
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Finally. Two weeks into the new set before they let us draft for coins.  Angry
  

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Downloaded and played few games this week. Just basic f2p stuff they gave to new players and few crafted cards from the wildcard crafting. It's fun, though only playing casual games and getting to 15 wins for the daily prizes, right now.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-grixis-control-83305#online

Playing a gimped version of that grixis control deck, but it is lacking all the mythic Bolas dragons, and rare mana base. That looks like the best deck in the format. I would need to drop a decent amount in packs to craft the mythic and rares for that deck outright, but it is fun trying to piece together a list for now.

  

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Reply #96 - May 13th, 2019 at 11:18am
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Midrange with Thief of Sanity, Control with Planeswalkers, Kefnet socercy based, amass (with widespread brutality and enter the god eternals). So many fun ways to play Grixis. I wonder if some version will end up being tier 1? It seems like mono-red is taking a beating. My mono-red-hate-angel-deck doesn't work very well in constructed anymore. I might need to move to Grul or Grixis for midrange...
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Reply #97 - May 14th, 2019 at 1:08am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 11:18am:
Midrange with Thief of Sanity, Control with Planeswalkers, Kefnet socercy based, amass (with widespread brutality and enter the god eternals). So many fun ways to play Grixis. I wonder if some version will end up being tier 1? It seems like mono-red is taking a beating. My mono-red-hate-angel-deck doesn't work very well in constructed anymore. I might need to move to Grul or Grixis for midrange...

The objective best deck is Esper in standard. But for the most fun deck : it is, by far, getting to cast all different versions of Bolas and getting that voice acting monologue going.

And I cracked all my packs so far with the contents being much like a sealed pool. Grixis just seemed the most fun I could have with a decent casual deck. Used up all my luck opening a Liliana, Karn, Ugin, Narset, and I even flipped a daily reward card into a Bolas, the Ravager. It was destiny! The free mythic wildcard got turned into a 2nd Ravager, and used the uncommon, common and rare wildcards for removal, discard and counters. Had a few good black creatures, as well. Manabase is trash, but I will fix that by drafting ravnica.
  

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Nice dude.
  

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Re: MtG Arena Beta
Reply #99 - May 15th, 2019 at 9:35am
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Rubbinns wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 11:03am:
It's fun, though only playing casual games and getting to 15 wins for the daily prizes, right now.


You might as well play the free ladder matches to (eventually) get the end-of-season rewards. It's not hard to get up to gold or so.
  

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