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Need a Iconic Scoundrel build to get the 3 iconic
Apr 10th, 2019 at 3:09pm
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past lives.

Almost done with the 3 tiefling racials and will be starting Scoundrel grind before next week.

I figure if all else fails, I'll just be a 1 bard, 19 warlock and when I get to epic just do my normal.
1. Maybe catch a Grim Necromancer for 1 millionish
2. Orchard for an 1 hour for 2 millionish
3. Barovian for 1-2 hours for 2 millionish
4. Thunderholme for another 2 millionish
clean up with the dailies.

But if there is any intriguing build, I'd be happy for a change of pace.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 3:24pm
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Can't go wrong with 2 fighter/18 bard swashbuckler. Self healing, CC, and an entertaining number of crits. I suspect with the Scoundrel SLAs it'll be even more fun. Might be more entertaining than just another lock-life.
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 4:04pm
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17 Whatever/3 Bard Inquisitive.  You can Swashbuckle with a light crossbow, which will net you +7 dmg and 11% doubleshot. 
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Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 10:46pm
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Carpone wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 4:04pm:
17 Whatever/3 Bard Inquisitive.  You can Swashbuckle with a light crossbow, which will net you +7 dmg and 11% doubleshot. 


17 rogue/3 bard for max dps

or can do arti for less dps and a pet doggo and rune arm

or all bard for less overall dps  but group buffs

lots of ways to go


  

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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 12:52pm
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15 Rogue/3 Bard/2 Fighter for +3 action boosts, and because I'm not interested in any other Rogue Special Ability besides Opportunist and Improved Evasion.
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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 1:28pm
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Carpone wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
15 Rogue/3 Bard/2 Fighter for +3 action boosts, and because I'm not interested in any other Rogue Special Ability besides Opportunist and Improved Evasion.


not bad, i dont like trading 4 SA dice, 15 meters PB/SA range for the 3 additional boosts.
  

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Reply #6 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 1:54pm
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Cripey wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 1:28pm:
not bad, i dont like trading 4 SA dice, 15 meters PB/SA range for the 3 additional boosts.

Not sure how you're giving up 15' PB range...?  I was only ever planning on 11 AP in Mechanic for a total of 2 SA dice.  Here's the breakdown:

41 Inquisitive
7 Kensei - Extra Action Boost x3
7 Harper - INT-hit, KtA
11 Swashbuckler for 7 dmg, 11% doubleshot
11 Mechanic for INT-dmg, +15’ point blank range
3 Thief Acrobat for 15% movement
= 80

+ racial AP
+ universal AP

1 Bard 1: Point Blank Shot
2 Fighter 1: Rapid Reload
3 Bard 2: Rapid Shot
4 Bard 3:
5 Rogue 1:
6 Rogue 2: Precise Shot
7 Rogue 3:
8 Rogue 4:
9 Rogue 5: Insightful Reflexes
10 Rogue 6:
11 Rogue 7:
12 Rogue 8: Improved Critical: Ranged
13 Rogue 9
14 Rogue 10: Improved Evasion
15 Rogue 11: Improved Precise Shot
16 Rogue 12:
17 Rogue 13: Opportunist
18 Rogue 14: Sneak of Shadows
19 Rogue 15
20 Fighter 2: Precision
21 Epic   : Combat Archery
24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Holy Strike
27 Epic   : Watchful Eye
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction / Completionist
30 Legend : Scion of Arborea
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Re: Need a Iconic Scoundrel build to get the 3 iconic
Reply #7 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 3:44pm
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Carpone wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
Not sure how you're giving up 15' PB range...?  I was only ever planning on 11 AP in Mechanic for a total of 2 SA dice.  Here's the breakdown:

41 Inquisitive
7 Kensei - Extra Action Boost x3
7 Harper - INT-hit, KtA
11 Swashbuckler for 7 dmg, 11% doubleshot
11 Mechanic for INT-dmg, +15’ point blank range
3 Thief Acrobat for 15% movement
= 80

+ racial AP
+ universal AP

1 Bard 1: Point Blank Shot
2 Fighter 1: Rapid Reload
3 Bard 2: Rapid Shot
4 Bard 3:
5 Rogue 1:
6 Rogue 2: Precise Shot
7 Rogue 3:
8 Rogue 4:
9 Rogue 5: Insightful Reflexes
10 Rogue 6:
11 Rogue 7:
12 Rogue 8: Improved Critical: Ranged
13 Rogue 9
14 Rogue 10: Improved Evasion
15 Rogue 11: Improved Precise Shot
16 Rogue 12:
17 Rogue 13: Opportunist
18 Rogue 14: Sneak of Shadows
19 Rogue 15
20 Fighter 2: Precision
21 Epic   : Combat Archery
24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Holy Strike
27 Epic   : Watchful Eye
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction / Completionist
30 Legend : Scion of Arborea


the extra fighter feats are attractive, you're right on the 15 since your spending it there, for some reason I was thinking you weren't.

Our points spread is very similar

i did

41 inquisitive
13 mechanic
11 swash
8 harper
3 thief acrobat
19 scoundrel racial

95 total max points atm
  

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Reply #8 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 3:47pm
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I'm going to fill in some barb lives since you have to be non-lawful. (And I usually go lawful on past-life/leveling builds, because...reasons.)
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 4:25pm
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I'm in the same boat - will want those Scoundrel PLs but no point in adding more bard PLs. On the flip side, +20 extra hit points from two more barbarian lives would not be unappreciated.
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 13th, 2019 at 10:17am
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I took the Scoundrel 15 Rogue/3 Bard/2 Rogue build to 20 last night.  If I do another Scoundrel/Rogue PL, I'm going to drop Fighter for Barb and dump the 10 AP from Kensei and Thief Acrobat into Mechanic.  I never ran out of No Holds Barred in heroic, and in epic 9 boosts should be enough.

Watchful Eye isn't needed since it's the same as Inquisitive core 3.  It's a pretty awesome quality of life feature while heroic leveling, especially if you haven't run a trapper life in a while.

Ash Imprisonment is incredible if you have the racial AP.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 5:08pm
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Well this sounds fun... haven't run a trapper in forever... ain't nobody got time to disable traps.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 5:12pm
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bob the builder wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
Well this sounds fun... haven't run a trapper in forever... ain't nobody got time to disable traps.


Actually a lot of parties appreciate if you hang back and hit the traps for that extra 15% XP boost. Nobody cares enough to wait for it, but its handy.

Be kind of interesting if DDO had more quests that were either impossible or much more difficult to complete without trapping.
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 8:31pm
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noamineo wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
Actually a lot of parties appreciate if you hang back and hit the traps for that extra 15% XP boost. Nobody cares enough to wait for it, but its handy.

Be kind of interesting if DDO had more quests that were either impossible or much more difficult to complete without trapping.


it was a little like that in the beginning.. I remember some groups waiting forever to start until they could get a rogue.  But once everyone learned the traps or could survive by running through them... just became a who needs a rogue??  And rogues didn't have the DPS they have now, and they were super squishy
  
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Reply #14 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 5:31am
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I am considering
Scoundrel Bard 3 / Ranger 6 / Rogue 11
41 inq
7 harper
11 swash
11 mech
11 DWS
= 81

Also considering swapping ranger and rogue levels if said character has bad dex tome
  
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Reply #15 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 12:57pm
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bob the builder wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
it was a little like that in the beginning.. I remember some groups waiting forever to start until they could get a rogue.  But once everyone learned the traps or could survive by running through them... just became a who needs a rogue??  And rogues didn't have the DPS they have now, and they were super squishy


They have quite decent DPS now, though I'm kind of over Inquisitive. I speced my rogue back into mechanic last night and the DPS is a lot better. Granted, my rogue is a piece of shit, but still.
  

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Reply #16 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 3:56pm
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does someone want to dumb down the Scoundrel
15 Rogue
3 Bard
2 Fighter
build and include all the enhancements (exactly how the
41 Inquisitive
7 Kensei - Extra Action Boost x3
7 Harper - INT-hit, KtA
11 Swashbuckler for 7 dmg, 11% doubleshot
11 Mechanic for INT-dmg, +15’ point blank range
3 Thief Acrobat for 15% movement
= 80
were spent (the 41 inquisitive) I can probably figure it out, but man I'm lazy these days.
  
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Reply #17 - Apr 17th, 2019 at 4:37pm
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41 Inquisitive
11 Mechanic for core 3, Sharpshooter 2
11 Swashbuckler for Core 2, Swashbuckling Style (open handed)
7 Kensei for +3 boosts
3 Thief Acrobat for 15% runspeed
7 Harper for KtA 2
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 17th, 2019 at 5:06pm
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Annnnd it's time to respec my rogue again.
  

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bob the builder wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
it was a little like that in the beginning.. I remember some groups waiting forever to start until they could get a rogue.  But once everyone learned the traps or could survive by running through them... just became a who needs a rogue?? 




And then they buffed self healing... just became a who needs a cleric??
  

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Reply #20 - Apr 18th, 2019 at 10:41am
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I started running this build yesterday (finally after spending an hour with Cannith Crafting Planner to spec gear for this build).

Pretty fun so far... stuff dies fast and I'm a freaking turret!

Will have to see what happens when I get to Epics though.
  
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Okay, for some reason, I had in my mind that I needed to use a Light Crossbow (and couldn't use a Heavy Crossbow) for some benefit for the build...
But then I started looking through everything and can't find anything.

Just trying to confirm that there is no benefit I'll miss out on if using a Heavy Crossbow?
  
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Reply #22 - Apr 19th, 2019 at 9:52am
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bob the builder wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 9:08am:
Okay, for some reason, I had in my mind that I needed to use a Light Crossbow (and couldn't use a Heavy Crossbow) for some benefit for the build...
But then I started looking through everything and can't find anything.

Just trying to confirm that there is no benefit I'll miss out on if using a Heavy Crossbow?

Swashbuckling requires a "light" weapon.  You'll want to stick with light crossbows if you're using that.
  
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Digimonk wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 9:52am:
Swashbuckling requires a "light" weapon.  You'll want to stick with light crossbows if you're using that.


okay... i knew there was something that I saw... just couldn't remember where... I hadn't touched swashbuckling in years... once other changes/build surpassed the Bard after it came out, it was just meh for me.
  
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bob the builder wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 3:07pm:
okay... i knew there was something that I saw... just couldn't remember where... I hadn't touched swashbuckling in years... once other changes/build surpassed the Bard after it came out, it was just meh for me.



Mookie is right.  It's one of those oddball things because crossbows light or heavy aren't part of swashbuckling.  But in inquisitive:
Dashing Inquisition: You can Swashbuckle while wielding a Light (non-repeating) Crossbow.
  

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