Alex DeLarge wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2020 at 10:35am:


Look at all the design space they've opened up. Kowabunga there Alejandro.

Rubbinns wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2020 at 9:59am:


It will be with Feywild, so I'm expecting 24 quests and 3 raids total.

Technomage wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2020 at 12:04pm:


They'll give us 3 of the Baba or Deathwyrm style raid. Just gotta copy paste puzzles with enough shadows to lag the server into a dream coil.

Technomage wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2020 at 12:04pm:

I’m counting the existing stuff.

Technomage wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2020 at 3:49pm:



Nah, I just meant that many total level 32 quests/raids total. Because I was being a smartass.

There's actually 30 level 31 quest and 36 level 32 quests. If that isn't plenty to get to level 33 with whatever Feywild adds, then SSG has set the XP requirements for legendary levels at an incredibly stupid amount. Which is possible, but I won't place bets in either direction.

Edrein wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2020 at 4:57pm:


I'd be fine if level 32/33/ whatever gear didn't have better stats, it just had more effects per item.   CC crafted gear over ML 31-35 can have 4 effects.   and from ML 36-40 it can have 5.   Raid Loot can have 5 from ML 31-33.   Then 6 from ML 34-39 and 7 effects at ML 40.   Give us a break from needing to slot 80+ effects into 40 slots.   It would be a little power creep, but mainly in a way that made the game less annoying and more fun.

 

NOTpopejubal wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2020 at 4:22pm:

I looked over the list on wiki and there are 64 quests that are done at cap now for reaper xp. 64. Over the span of 5 years. 2015 was when we got archons. It took the devs 5 years to carve out a a sizable end game where we can run everything in around less than 10 hours of quest time.

5 years at a pace of around 10 quests a year... This is their busy rate.

Now imagine how they are going to increase our levels. When they went to 30 it was 20 to 25, 25 to 28, 28 to 30. Since SSG isn't nearly clever enough to trick anyone who is paying attention ( sadly this cuts off most of ddo's playerbase ), they're going to try reverse it! So instead of getting 5 levels on feywild, we will get the reverse order for 30 to 40. It's going to be 30 to 32, 32 to 35, 35 to 40. With me so far?

Now take their "busy" rate of around 10 quests a year. At around level 35, if they manage to keep up with their lofty expectations, we will have 20~ quests, and we will be too high level to do the 64 reaper quests we enjoy at cap now. Obviously there will be a TR system here because raising the cap means they cannot, and never have been able to build anything that resembles an extensive end game.

Enjoy!

raybob wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 4:29pm:


Well, they would still have an end game.  It would be at 40.   But the point would be that level cap raises would work like they do in other games.   The TR mechanic makes level cap raises much less appealing because of the repeated need to re-level "capped" characters.

raybob wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 4:29pm:


I'd 100% quit the game if the only way to change my character's class was to buy lesser hearts or reroll/make a new toon.

Seriously, if you want to be an alt-o-holic good on you. But don't force me to play like that.

m4lacka wrote on Mar 6^th, 2020 at 9:32am:


Every time they commented on that, they've been very careful with their wording.

They aren't going to increase the amount of XP required for any of the current Reincarnations. I'm betting they're just going to add an additional grind on top of that.  So we can Epic Reincarnate at 30 or we can keep going and do a Legendary Reincarnation and then an Epic Reincarnation and then a TR after the other two.

Rubbinns wrote on Mar 6^th, 2020 at 12:16pm:


It's like poetry...it rhymes.

Here

Heroic 1-19
Epic 20-29
Legendary 30-39
Mythic 40-49
Cosmic 50

There, that’ll give em 10 years
Only 7 players will make it to 50
At 50, you pull a Leary
And transfer into the internet

Rubbinns wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 12:31pm:



The level 20 endgame (Pre-MotU) was the closest DDO has ever gotten to a traditional mmo endgame (emphasize on items rather than XP).

Turbine managed to stagger the loot back then to make multiple raids worth running without really invalidating past loot.


Raids:

• eChrono: Best in slots, +4 tomes  
• eDQ: Best in slots, +4 tomes
• EVoN: Best in slots, +4 tomes
• ToD: Best in slots, +4 tomes (most reliable, 4% chance for every item slot in the 20th list)
• LoB: Best in slots, +4 tomes
• Abbot: Best in slots, +3 tomes
• Shroud: Best in slots, +3 tomes
• Reaver: Madstone boots, +3 tomes 
• VoD: Tharnes goggles, +3 tomes
• HoX: Shields, +3 tomes
• MA: Alchemical blanks

All these raids were worth running. Titan was even ran since Chattering Ring was best in slot for AC builds up until Cannith Crafting came out around Update 10/11.

Even If you had all the items you wanted from a certain raid you still ran it to get +3/+4 tomes. That is until the choice was made to sell +3 tomes in the store around late 2011 which killed off about half of the endgame raids overnight.

Epic quest and Raid lockouts (with no bypasses) incentivized running alts, increased content life, and limited the gap between hardcore and casual players. 

Heroic pastlives were a secondary focus, reincarnation was mostly used as a way to re-roll. Those who preferred farming XP rather than items got a small bonus for their efforts.

SSG really needs to follow this path with future updates. Removing bypasses/tomes from the store and staggering the loot (have one raid give rings, another weapons, etc) would be a great start. Although im not sure if they can do this given their current road map.