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Reply #50 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 1:35pm
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look forward to it.. thanks.. on my last gnome life

noamineo wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 11:54am:
Still fine-tuning but here's the start. Disclaimer: I have not actually leveled one of these in a while, this was based off experiments while ETRing last night. I can hopefully get a bit better in a few days when I have some time to dedicate:

Assuming +7 tomes or better:
16 STR
18 INT
Rest into CON

Lvl 1 TWF / Quicken
Lvl 3 Weapon Focus: Slashing
Lvl 5 (Class) Extend Spell
Lvl 6 Power Attack
Lvl 9 Power Critical
Lvl 10(class) Maximize
Lvl 12 Imp THF
Lvl 15 Cleave /(class) Maximize
Lvl 18 Great Cleave
Lvl 20 Mental Toughness or whatever

Spells:
I'm not going to go through every single spell you might want at every level, but here will be your most useful:
lvl2 - Lesser Death Aura/Fog Bank(for miss chance)
lvl3 - DISPLACEMENT!!!
lvl4 - Death Aura/Negative Energy Burst(Prioritize these), then Stoneskin, Wall of Fire, and Ice Storm (DDoor is also nice)

When you hit 4th lvl spells at lvl 7 is when the build really starts to work. With Extend and Quicken going, Death Aura and Lesser Death Aura active, the main spell you're going to cast is Negative Energy Burst for a quick self-heal. You mostly want buffs like stone skin, and area-effect spells like Wall of Fire, Acid Rain, Ice Storm, etc. Fog Bank and the various other "% miss chance" spells are fantastic for survivability.

Enhancements:
I can work up a more detailed breakdown time permitting, but 3 trees are key:

Harpers - Int-to-hit/Int-to-dmg, and that's it
Palemaster - some undead shroud to let heal from negative energy + more
Eldritch Knight - elemental damage + SLAs(Imp Mage Armor & Imp Shield)

Will continue to fine-tune as more time becomes available. The big problem is BAB, which badly gates the THF feats. If anyone has any suggestions I'm happy to workshop this.

  
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Re: 1-20 for Racial PLs
Reply #51 - Dec 23rd, 2020 at 9:51am
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noamineo wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 11:54am:
Still fine-tuning but here's the start. Disclaimer: I have not actually leveled one of these in a while, this was based off experiments while ETRing last night. I can hopefully get a bit better in a few days when I have some time to dedicate:

Assuming +7 tomes or better:
16 STR
18 INT
Rest into CON

Lvl 1 TWF / Quicken
Lvl 3 Weapon Focus: Slashing
Lvl 5 (Class) Extend Spell
Lvl 6 Power Attack
Lvl 9 Power Critical
Lvl 10(class) Maximize
Lvl 12 Imp THF
Lvl 15 Cleave /(class) Maximize
Lvl 18 Great Cleave
Lvl 20 Mental Toughness or whatever

Spells:
I'm not going to go through every single spell you might want at every level, but here will be your most useful:
lvl2 - Lesser Death Aura/Fog Bank(for miss chance)
lvl3 - DISPLACEMENT!!!
lvl4 - Death Aura/Negative Energy Burst(Prioritize these), then Stoneskin, Wall of Fire, and Ice Storm (DDoor is also nice)

When you hit 4th lvl spells at lvl 7 is when the build really starts to work. With Extend and Quicken going, Death Aura and Lesser Death Aura active, the main spell you're going to cast is Negative Energy Burst for a quick self-heal. You mostly want buffs like stone skin, and area-effect spells like Wall of Fire, Acid Rain, Ice Storm, etc. Fog Bank and the various other "% miss chance" spells are fantastic for survivability.

Enhancements:
I can work up a more detailed breakdown time permitting, but 3 trees are key:

Harpers - Int-to-hit/Int-to-dmg, and that's it
Palemaster - some undead shroud to let heal from negative energy + more
Eldritch Knight - elemental damage + SLAs(Imp Mage Armor & Imp Shield)

Will continue to fine-tune as more time becomes available. The big problem is BAB, which badly gates the THF feats. If anyone has any suggestions I'm happy to workshop this.


This has some issues.
1)TWF as first feat? TWF is so much behind 2hf in heroics.
USE 2HF.

2) Get rid of the cleave feats. Strikethrough plus EK cleave will be sufficient.

3) Mental toughness is not needed at all. Completionist and insightful reflex is better.
  
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Reply #52 - Dec 23rd, 2020 at 9:53am
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If you're going purely 1-20 (really 1-18)

Take a level of barb first.
  
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Reply #53 - Dec 23rd, 2020 at 12:35pm
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SpaceGoat wrote on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 9:51am:
This has some issues.
1)TWF as first feat? TWF is so much behind 2hf in heroics.
USE 2HF.

2) Get rid of the cleave feats. Strikethrough plus EK cleave will be sufficient.

3) Mental toughness is not needed at all. Completionist and insightful reflex is better.


Yeah sorry that was a typo. It was supposed to say "THF". I don't even have the excuse of auto-correct, that was just a fuckup.
  

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Reply #54 - Dec 23rd, 2020 at 12:39pm
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SpaceGoat wrote on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 9:53am:
If you're going purely 1-20 (really 1-18)

Take a level of barb first.


I normally support the 1-barb splash but in this case I'd put it off for a few levels. The self-healing comes from the death auras which are gated by wizard level.

But the fast movement/weapon feats/other stuff might make up for that. Not sure myself.
  

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Reply #55 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 12:38am
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if you don't run casters, the 12/6/2 stick isn't bad. not my original idea at all, but i tried a version of it and it ran fast which is all i really care about in a 1-20 and tr life. the rest takes care of itself
  
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Reply #56 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 1:20am
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bepis wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 12:38am:
if you don't run casters, the 12/6/2 stick isn't bad. not my original idea at all, but i tried a version of it and it ran fast which is all i really care about in a 1-20 and tr life. the rest takes care of itself


What order do you like the leveling in?

My main grip with splash builds for racials is they don't really "hit" there own until late in the game. The run up from 12(when GS comes out) to 18(before the game bogs down in a mire of awfulness) is very short compared to the slog from 1-11.
  

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Re: 1-20 for Racial PLs
Reply #57 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 1:35am
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r/b/b/d/r/r/dx4/r/r/d/rest r

most important bits:

- stick speed #1
- temp hp #2 - never let go of w key
- first level shillelagh
- trip dc stuff
- t5 thief acro by 12

in that order, imo, though ill admit others disagree
  
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Reply #58 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 1:55am
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bepis wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 1:35am:
r/b/b/d/r/r/dx4/r/r/d/rest r

most important bits:

- stick speed #1
- temp hp #2 - never let go of w key
- first level shillelagh
- trip dc stuff
- t5 thief acro by 12

in that order, imo, though ill admit others disagree


Hows it scale into epics? I've always wanted a good stick fighter, animations look so cool.
  

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Reply #59 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 9:55am
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not a lot of good staves in epics made of wood so i imagine other splits do better there

you got epic bloom and...

you got epic bloom
  
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Reply #60 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 10:28am
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bepis wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 9:55am:
not a lot of good staves in epics made of wood so i imagine other splits do better there

you got epic bloom and...

you got epic bloom


Can you dual wield them?
  

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Reply #61 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 2:09pm
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man, if you could convince the devs to add gunga grip to the game as a feat...
  
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Reply #62 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 4:35pm
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bepis wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 2:09pm:
man, if you could convince the devs to add gunga grip to the game as a feat...


I've always though with the proper feats you should be allowed to dual wield any weapon you want. This is a game about magic and dragons, is "you cant fight with 2 staves at once" really where we want to make a stand on realism?
  

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Reply #63 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 11:11am
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I think the best way to get pl’s does not revolve around using a single character...
  
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Reply #64 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 12:11pm
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Mattyo wrote on Feb 2nd, 2021 at 11:11am:
I think the best way to get pl’s does not revolve around using a single character...


All really depends on what you're after. Is it the journey, or the destination?

If they had knocked about 1,000,000 XP off the requirements for racial PLs, I'd have done them all the "right" way without a second thought, tried all kinds of niche builds, and really had a good time. If you can take the 3.8 million it can really be a fun chance to enjoy the game.
  

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