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13/6/1 Artificer Repeater
May 29th, 2022 at 11:41am
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Build breakdown on Carpone's sheet for enhancement AP :

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ml2U123yYWTOHx07OO0EcZbsIBTq66_7iIFQt4xRUGA/
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Why this over pure arty? This is easier to pull off with low past lives because rune arm/spell DCs may not ever land on such a character.

The pure 20 has way more utility while this is a better auto attack build. Bolt for bolt 13/6 is better than pure, but pure wins out once you start landing rune arm DCs on single targets and aoe. However rune arm damage doesn't relay to constant mob shooting due to being more focused on a single target that can be fired at once every 6 seconds. The Kensei splash offers more RP and doesn't do anything other than keep firing.

New adjustments : Primal mantle over shiradi, which required reworking the gear set to try and fit as much spellpower as possible. Shiradi's epic moment is unrivaled for ranged builds, however repeaters are not tied down to shiradi as most other ranged builds are due to how Hunt's End only ever affects the first bolt that hits the target. Unlike throwers getting x4-5 multiplier on Hunt every single attack, repeaters might ( 33% ) get a single multiplier on their lone Hunt's End bolt.

Primal Mantle is more consistent and the damage is, in a way, more front loaded against trash due to having 3 procs ( cold/electric/sonic ) on what seems like a very high chance ( have not tested conclusively or empirically but eyeballing it seems to feel like it is around 50% ). 

The other benefits are Turn the Tide is global party buff which beats a single ranged build using Shiradi's epic moment.

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11 Primal
33~ Fate
rest in SD

Gear set :

slaver belt
fort/armor piercing/spellcraft or perform/q prr/3d6 sneak augment slot

raptor neck
deception/bloodrage/fury/3d6 sneak augment slot

cloak capelet
ins int6/dodge/ins sheltering/cold absorb 35%/3d6 sneak augment slot/ 1 slot

tinkerer set 15 rp/15 bypass
all deception/all seeker/quality dex/int 13/ 4 slots

sulo set 15 dshot/30 prr-mrr
deception/assassinate + 22/improved deception/curse/poison/fear proof/quality con 3/resistance 11/fire + evil absorb 23%/artifact 3 slots

chained element set 30 ice/elec
148 cold/ice + acid proc/4 slots

velah armor
25 usp augment slot/1 slot/magma proc

helm of watcher
ins dshot/quality deadly/accuracy/25 usp augment slot/1 slot

boots sunken slippers
ins potency/q potency/q int/25 usp augment slot

rune arm protoytpe
silver/148 sonic/alchemical int 2/alchemical air attuned/1 slot

weapon
magnetism ruby/deconstructor ruby

quiver grim
8 dshot

17 open augment slots :
10 rp
10 deadly
50 hamp
spellcraft or perform
12 con
ins con
12 dex
ins dex
festive int
festive dex
festive con
swift
cracked core
vitality
defense
armor +2 dodge
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Reply #1 - May 29th, 2022 at 12:04pm
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Shout out to Epicsoul for adding maxed runearm damage to the mix. Pretty amazing to watch Epic run around an R10 push raid on 20 Arti with 300 hp and still get shit done. 
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Reply #2 - May 29th, 2022 at 1:06pm
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Gunga wrote on May 29th, 2022 at 12:04pm:
Shout out to Epicsoul for adding maxed runearm damage to the mix. Pretty amazing to watch Epic run around an R10 push raid on 20 Arti with 300 hp and still get shit done. 
There are a handful of players that can make anything work. Epic's one of them (not saying this arty build is bad, rather that Epic make's anything work)
  
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Ferd wrote on May 29th, 2022 at 1:06pm:
There are a handful of players that can make anything work. Epic's one of them (not saying this arty build is bad, rather that Epic make's anything work)


True, but he's maybe one of three people I've known since arti was released to actually make it look good.
  

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Reply #4 - May 29th, 2022 at 6:39pm
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Current life on a pure 20 arty and after 20 it can solo r3 4 levels above his. I don't see why or how anything or anyone can fuck up a pure artificer build.

Next artificer life I'll try the split.

Leveling up, arti feats were a bit short.
Having to run insightful damage until cap was a PITA. Mid level reapers kick your ass because of that combo, but you can still solo them OK.
The possibility of swapping to sos for level 10 trash cleanup is kinda interesting too...
  
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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2022 at 5:37am
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Dont do this if you care about raid pushing. Stay pure so you can take the RMM capstone when needed.
  
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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2022 at 7:37am
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Justanotherlurker wrote on May 30th, 2022 at 5:37am:
Dont do this if you care about raid pushing. Stay pure so you can take the RMM capstone when needed.

who the fuck is raid pushing and what raid is there even left to push? Between Divers, the Argo guys, and us, everything has been pushed. 

  

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Reply #7 - May 30th, 2022 at 7:51am
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Rubbinns wrote on May 30th, 2022 at 7:37am:
who the fuck is raid pushing and what raid is there even left to push? Between Divers, the Argo guys, and us, everything has been pushed. 


Roll Eyes

So 3 guilds have cleared the hardest stuff everyone else should just give up?


(I actually havent cleared r10 hunted yet - yes i have a small penis)
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Reply #8 - May 30th, 2022 at 12:38pm
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Justanotherlurker wrote on May 30th, 2022 at 7:51am:
Roll Eyes

So 3 guilds have cleared the hardest stuff everyone else should just give up?

Yes?
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #9 - Jun 1st, 2022 at 8:05am
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Wishful thinking
  

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Reply #10 - Jun 1st, 2022 at 5:09pm
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Update =  Filigree

artifact
spine/wreath 10 rp
shattered rp 5
crackshot rp 5


weapon
spine/wreath 10 rp
shattered rp 5
crackshot rp 5
crackshot atk/dmg
crackshot 2 reflex - set 15rp 5 dhsot
shattered atk/dmg 1
spine atk/dmg
spine rp 5 - set 2dmg/3 deflection/10rp
shattered fort bypass 5% - 4 set 3 dmg, 3 dshot, 10 prr mrr
wildhunter rp 5


Class ap =

17 Deep Gnome
33 HW
28 BE
14 Kensei
3 Fey - implement

2 free ( can get 2 dodge cap kensei, or marked target for - 20 movement speed, or FE animal/undead if needed for specific raid ).  get creative here. let your imagination soar.


Weapon = new dino light repeating xbow
Dust Better solo and kobold racing due to stacking speed of dust. Vacuum better overall on hit point bags from all the infinite magical procs.

fire proc + good
15d6 cold + cold iron
149 sonic power
Augment : Deconstructor
Augment : Feareater

Rune arm = same Toven Prototype but Electric spell power over sonic.
Belt = Black Dragon Tasset armor bypass/fury Proc
Neck = Pendant of the Sea insightful sonic/cold/air/deadly 11

Augments = drop Deadly augment and Perform and replace with Fortification and Spellcraft.

Feats = drop watchful eye and swap with wellspring. Take Arcane Warrior


If you don't have racial lives then do tiefling with Stickerclicker xbow. Scoundrel is better than base here but either works the build has fire and sonic spell power built in fully.
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #11 - Jun 2nd, 2022 at 12:14am
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DPS. No Epic Moment. No Wellspring, no Misty Step, and no Cut the Strings. Just attacks, self buffs, and fusilade.



  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #12 - Jun 2nd, 2022 at 11:39am
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Yeah, that looks similar to my 20 Arti build.

BTW, saw Epic on his Arti on Lamannia yesterday. He's playing a pure 20 build, too.
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Reply #13 - Jun 2nd, 2022 at 12:02pm
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Standing Stone Games wrote on Jun 2nd, 2022 at 11:39am:
Yeah, that looks similar to my 20 Arti build.

lol no. stfu


Standing Stone Games wrote on Jun 2nd, 2022 at 11:39am:
BTW, saw Epic on his Arti on Lamannia yesterday. He's playing a pure 20 build, too.

wtf does that even mean, you autistic doof
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #14 - Jun 2nd, 2022 at 12:24pm
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Shiradi epic moment full boosts and all burst abilities - misty step, deadly rain, wellspring.

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Reply #15 - Jun 2nd, 2022 at 6:25pm
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Standing Stone Games wrote on Jun 2nd, 2022 at 11:39am:
Yeah, that looks similar to my 20 Arti build.

BTW, saw Epic on his Arti on Lamannia yesterday. He's playing a pure 20 build, too.


You’ll get deez nuts and like it you fucking moron.
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 2nd, 2022 at 9:51pm
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Fast as I can manage in Shiradi using all boosts and epic moment. If I get a little luckier and grab Sneak of Shadows feat, I can probably do a 7.something, or around 70k-68k. I'm missing like 10 raw damage and 1 sneak damage from past lives, so I'm comfortable pegging this build at that range.

  

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Rubbinns wrote on Jun 2nd, 2022 at 9:51pm:
I'm comfortable pegging

  

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Looks weak af
  
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Teth wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 10:19pm:
Looks weak af

you must have lost your ark again
  

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Reply #20 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 11:07pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 11:04pm:
you must have lost your ark again


Nah I keep that shit right up Cap’s butthole where it’s nice and safe
  
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my butthole?
  

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Update on gear and AP for Isle of Dread items and level cap.

Class and ED AP: 17 gnome ( not shown )



Gear adjustments :

Belt : Black Dragon Tasset
Fort Bypass/Fury proc/3d6 sneak augment set slot

Necklace : Pendant of the Sea
Insightful Sonic/Cold/Air + 74/Deadly 11/3d6 sneak augment set/1 slot


Cloak Capelet
Ins Int 6/Dodge/Ins Sheltering/Cold Absorb 35%/2 slots

tinkerer set 15 rp/15 bypass
all deception/all seeker/quality dex/int 13/ 4 slots

sulo set 15 dshot/30 prr-mrr
deception/assassinate + 22/improved deception/curse/poison/fear proof/quality con 3/resistance 11/fire + evil absorb 23%/artifact 5 slots

chained element set 30 ice/elec power
148 cold/148 electric/ice + electric proc/4 slots

velah armor
25 usp augment slot/1 slot/magma proc

helm of watcher
ins dshot/quality deadly/accuracy/25 usp augment slot/1 slot

boots sunken slippers
ins potency/q potency/q int/25 usp augment slot

rune arm Dino Crafted
Meltfang acid ring proc
Scale weapon slot is open TBD
Bronzescale Deathblock + Ghostly
Goldfang 2d6 sneak dice
3d6 sneak augment set/ 1 slot

weapon
Dino raid light repeating xbow
Meltscale crystal + byshek + 15d6 acid proc on hit
Flamefang good bypass + fire ring proc
Iridiscent claw 148 sonic
Sparkhorn vulnerability proc
Feareater/Deconstuctor


quiver purifying bludgeon bypass.

19 augment slots open.


Destiny feats : arcane warrior, harbinger chaos, silver bypass, doubleshot.

Epic feats : OC, expanded clip, combat archery, wellspring of power, scion of arborea.

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Reply #23 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 1:39pm
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I'm curious: what are people's thoughts on something like a 8 arti/6 fighter/6 ranger combination (tentative); ditching Horizon Walker in favor of DWS?

The reason I bring this up is because I ran a DWS-focused repeater for a couple heroic lives months ago and I remember it was stupidly powerful. Also, I remember when Horizon Walker came out and everyone thought it looked lackluster. I still think it looks lackluster. The main things you're getting from it are A) 25 stacks of archer's focus (which DWS gets too) and B) misty step and the ranged power it entails. RP is nice, but you'll need to be stepping all over the place every 12s. Maybe that 20 RP edges out in theory... but I can't imagine myself having to Misty Step every 12 seconds, especially as a ranged character. It just seems like it'll get extremely annoying and chaotic.

By comparison, DWS gets: 10 standing RP, 3d6 Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot (usable every 6s w/+2 crit multiplier), 30 RP action boost in case you ever run out of Fusillades, Thrill of the Hunt, +3 damage/hit against favored enemies, Merciful Shot, Aimed Shot, Killer, +20% standing doubleshot, Head Shot, an extra Favored Enemy... and 60 HP as a nice bonus. Of particular note, Aimed Shot works really well w/repeaters because it's an automatic +9 archer's focus stacks, even while moving. All this stuff feels like it more than compensates for anything Horizon Walker offers. Oh also, 6 ranger gets you Ram's Might for a whopping +2 damage (lol), plus free Rapid Shot and Precise Shot, allowing you to slot in two more feats, like the rogue active PL or something, idk.

If I did my math right, then with an Arti/Ftr/Rgr split, you'd still have enough AP to get the 3 action boosts and +1 crit multiplier from Kensei (11). You'd still have enough AP to get Fusillade and +10% Doubleshot (26). You'd still have enough AP to get KTA and int to hit from Harper (7 w/universal enhancement tome). And you'd have 36 AP for DWS stuff, so you'd get everything you want from the tree, except 1 T5 ability. So at that point, Improved Archer's Focus is a shoe-in, +20% doubleshot is a no-brainer, and Head Shot is great, so I'd go with that instead of the extra favored enemy.

Personally, I am much more interested in the Heroic game, and know for a fact that DWS works better for repeaters in heroics than Horizon would (bc of the scaling nature of Misty Step). So maybe there are things in epics which make Horizon Walker edge out. But I'm kind of skeptical and feel that all the goodies in DWS should compensate. All in all, it looks like, at cap, HW only gets +20 RP (but has to Misty Step every 12s to maintain it), while DWS would have: +10% more standing doubleshot, +3d6 SA, +3 damage/hit against favored enemies, +3 damage from Thrill of the Hunt, +2 damage from Ram's Might, 12 30 RP action boosts in case you run out of Fusillades, Aimed Shot, Merciful Shot, Sniper Shot, Head Shot, +20% doubleshot from Killer, and 2 extra feat slots.

The only annoying thing, for me, is that the build can't fit in evasion. You'd need 9 ranger, but that's a problem. You need 6 fighter for +1 crit multiplier. You need 6 arti for insightful damage. So that only leaves 8 levels for ranger. Anyway, all this comes to say: I'm wondering what other people's thoughts on DWS Repeater are, and how it stacks up to Horizon Walker. From where I'm standing, it looks like DWS is better, but I could be wrong.
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 1:44pm
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Oh another thing: what is the reasoning behind 13/6/1? What is the reason to not go 12 arti/6 fighter/2 rogue and get evasion? Seems to me that 1) evasion would help out a lot during Heroics and 2) for Shadowdancer core, you'd get the benefit of Improved Evasion at level 26, instead of just regular evasion.

What is the benefit of 13 arti? You're not getting access to any extra enhancements, and you're not getting any notable spells; Deadly doesn't come into play until level 15. Why not 12/6/2? What am I missing here?
  
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