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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Claw set nerfed? Feb 1^st, 2013 at 8:45am	Print Post
	http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=4874004&posted=1#post4874004 Could just be Axer foaming at the mouth or this could really suck. The bonuses appear to now be typed the same (Claw and Planar focus). /d000m!


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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #1 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:02am	Print Post
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #2 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:10am	Print Post
	LOL if I still played I'd be pissed after spending months getting the set. This is part of the problem no foresight and no vision. They release these with an untyped buff which was likely unintentional then just fix it by typing it damn the consequences to players.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #3 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:21am	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:10am: LOL if I still played I'd be pissed after spending months getting the set.� This is part of the problem no foresight and no vision.� They release these with an untyped buff which was likely unintentional then just fix it by typing it damn the consequences to players. The problem is Feather the Cunt nerfing stuff he didn't make because he's a petty little bitch.


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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #4 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 10:44am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:21am: The problem is Feather the Cunt nerfing stuff he didn't make because he's a petty little bitch. Do you really think he's doing it out of spite? I think it's much more likely that the consequences of his changes are part of his "I think I got it right, and that should be good enough" methodology. Something about "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #5 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 10:44am	Print Post
	Maybe Majmal can tell us how it is really good for the game and stuff. Bill Bellicheck does stuff like this.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #6 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 10:54am	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 10:44am: Do you really think he's doing it out of spite? I think it's much more likely that the consequences of his changes are part of his "I think I got it right, and that should be good enough" methodology.� Something about "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." not spite, but vanity. The whole of U14 made tons of previously good gear meh and invalidated a bunch of people's grind to get it. Heck it may not even be his call. I don't think Turbine likes us "lingering" on old content because it still has a few best-in-slot items. Regarding stupidity versus malice you are right, Feather is dumber than shit.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #7 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 10:57am	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 10:44am: Do you really think he's doing it out of spite? I think it's much more likely that the consequences of his changes are part of his "I think I got it right, and that should be good enough" methodology.� Something about "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." I concur with the narrow vision that comes with stupidity. No point in being spiteful, when you can reach the same result by sheer idiocy.

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #8 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 11:10am	Print Post
	People have a choice between new and old. The new is so jacked up, people prefer the old. The only way to move them to the new is to make the old just as jacked up. Which apparently is easier than making the new worthwhile.
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	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #9 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 11:20am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 10:44am: Maybe Majmal can tell us how it is really good for the game and stuff. Bill Bellicheck does stuff like this. I'd rather he tell us some insider info on what FoS is really like - because his external image is one of arrogance, ignorance, and player disdain - whether intended or not. Someone create him another stealth account


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #10 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 11:38am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 11:10am: People have a choice between new and old. The new is so jacked up, people prefer the old. The only way to move them to the new is to make the old just as jacked up. Which apparently is easier than making the new worthwhile. You might be on to something because it's always the popular items that get nerfed. This set isn't for every build but for some it's great. So, of course it should be screwed with...

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #11 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 11:45am	Print Post
	with all the broke-ass shit in this game, why even mess with legacy item balance? It's kinda like fucking with the email icon and the little notch cutout in the UI - who the HELL triages what to "fix" in that office?


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scraap Ex Member	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #12 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 11:55am	Print Post
	Why are folks surprised? Genuine question. They've done it several times lately, and this new guy has had the "Old loot is old, move on" attitude since day 1. Only difference is now he's moved on to stuff other folks care about, I guess.


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #13 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Just guessing on this, but it could be a precursor to the next loot pass of post Amrath & epic items. Standardizing bonus types before changing old epic scroll/seal/shard mechanics to EN/EH/EE drops?


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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #14 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:09pm	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 11:57am: Just guessing on this, but it could be a precursor to the next loot pass of post Amrath & epic items. Standardizing bonus types before changing old epic scroll/seal/shard mechanics to EN/EH/EE drops? That makes a lot of sense. I just ran Sins for the first time ever - the unique loot is so outdated now. I can see why there's so much forum rage over amrath loot pass being needed.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #15 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	karatekid wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:09pm: That makes a lot of sense.� I just ran Sins for the first time ever - the unique loot is so outdated now.� I can see why there's so much forum rage over amrath loot pass being needed. Amrath loot... you realize there are set bonuses for PREs that don't exist PREs not in the game 3 years after Amrath was released. Sets from a raid that is deprecated that are obsoleted before their PREs were released .

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #16 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:32pm: Amrath loot...� you realize there are set bonuses for PREs that don't exist PREs not in the game 3 years after Amrath was released.� Sets from a raid that is deprecated that are obsoleted before their PREs were released . Maybe they can time an update to coincide with the new enhancement system.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #17 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	I'm not sure how much Amrath loot is even worth pursing at all anymore. We have better options in those slots. But that's okay, it's fine when new shinies come out that are better. But - what Stainer said. The new toys aren't that hot so the old ones have to be nerfed.


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #18 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:39pm: Maybe they can time an update to coincide with the new enhancement system. They seem to have impeccable timing.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #19 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:41pm: I'm not sure how much Amrath loot is even worth pursing at all anymore.� We have better options in those slots. There are definitely better and easier to acquire options.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #20 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:32pm: Amrath loot...� you realize there are set bonuses for PREs that don't exist PREs not in the game 3 years after Amrath was released.� Sets from a raid that is deprecated that are obsoleted before their PREs were released . Actually, no i didn't - I always hated the explorer area of shavrath - it is depressing (it actually depresses me), and I wasn't a big fan of Devils; so all I've ever run was New Invasion a handful of times. I've recently gotten Amrath-curious and started to go see what all the previous fuss was about. I dug the design of Sins once I ran it, tho. Wish they'd hire a homeschooler to fix the DM text. Not to mention the voiceover (TYEF - ling?)


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scraap Ex Member	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #21 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:49pm: There are definitely better and easier to acquire� options. And that has been the fundamental flaw in the cat in the hat's thinking since he started. "set the bonus to the ML" is only a valid design principle if you're still that level by the time you've actually got the damned item. For the love of fuck, I lost IQ points just feeling the need to point out something that goddamned fundamental.
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Tobril Honourary Australian Offline Hi Welcome Posts: 744 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #22 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 1:15pm	Print Post
	karatekid wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 1:02pm: Actually, no i didn't - I always hated the explorer area of shavrath - it is depressing (it actually depresses me), and I wasn't a big fan of Devils; so all I've ever run was New Invasion a handful of times. I've recently gotten Amrath-curious and started to go see what all the previous fuss was about.� I dug the design of Sins once I ran it, tho.� Wish they'd hire a homeschooler to fix the DM text.� Not to mention the voiceover (TYEF - ling?) It was the first new content at the time in like forever. It was also challenging for the day not to mention really fun.


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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #23 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 1:30pm	Print Post
	Quote: the cat in the hat's thinking OMG LOL - it was the momentary delay figuring out wtf you were talking about that made it all the funnier!


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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Claw set nerfed? Reply #24 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 12:39pm: Maybe they can time an update to coincide with the new enhancement system. I think they will probably add +7 stat upgrade tokens to Hard/Elite as well. +7 Stat/+1 Exceptional Stat/+2 Insightful Stat + Set Bonus would fit in with the power level of the augments.


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