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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	majmal - what the fuck? Aug 29^th, 2013 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	Did you not assure the quality of this stupid separation of heroic/epic quest completions? Jesus tapdancing christ. And you want to say that the game is less buggy than it's ever been? HA.


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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #1 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	Keep in mind that in most organizations QA can find and report defects, but the organization as a whole can then decide to not fix them, or to postpone a fix. That being said, I'm not sure which would be the worse scenario - that QA didn't find these probelms, or that they found them and Turbine decided to release anyway. I'd say this is a steaming pile, but a steaming pile can actually be marginally useful if used as fertilizer.


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gardner Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 8 Joined: Aug 28^th, 2013	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #2 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	GooFY wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 3:34pm: That being said, I'm not sure which would be the worse scenario - that QA didn't find these probelms, or that they found them and Turbine decided to release anyway. Surely Turbine wouldn't decide to release a product with known defects anyway. It's not like they have a history of doing so.


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DDOcrackhead Stormreaver Piker Offline Worlds: Khyber, Wayfinder Posts: 523 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #3 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	fix one bug, generate two new ones

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #4 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Please hire a UI developer. Command line interfaces ended with MUDs.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #5 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	man I loved playing MUDs... ....back in 1996.


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LafoMamone Waterworks Kobold Offline Feather of Sun's Chief Muse Posts: 117 Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2013	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #6 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 9:37pm: Give the buggy crap a rest. The game is in better shape now than it has been since 2011. majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 9:37pm: Give the buggy crap a rest. The game is in better shape now than it has been since 2011. majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 9:37pm: Give the buggy crap a rest. The game is in better shape now than it has been since 2011. majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 9:37pm: Give the buggy crap a rest. The game is in better shape now than it has been since 2011. majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 9:37pm: Give the buggy crap a rest. The game is in better shape now than it has been since 2011.


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bob the builder Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 772 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2011	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #7 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	1) Everyone releases products with known defects (some just release with more defects than others). 2) QA will miss stuff. However, missing this bug that involved a feature they were explicitly changing/fixing should get someone fired. But likely Turbine knew about the problem and released anyway.


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pnellesen Titan Demolisher Offline We can't all just get along. Posts: 311 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2011	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #8 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	Just.... Not even "wow". I don't even want to log in and see how many Heroic FoTs they think I've run now :/ [Edit: They got my FoTs right, but my ADQs are all showing Heroic now.... that may not be such a bad thing, considering ]
	« Last Edit: Aug 29^th, 2013 at 5:58pm by pnellesen »

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AnalFissure Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 178 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2013	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #9 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 4:52pm: Please hire a UI developer.� Command line interfaces ended with MUDs. If only we had some interface already in game for this stuff. That comes up when you hit the "L" Key. We could call it a quest journal or something. Please hire some developers that actually play your game and know what's there to be improved upon. If I can go to my journal and see that I have an 88% XP Penalty for being overlevel in heroic GH (content dynamically calculated), then Putting in number of completions and ransack xp penalties shouldn't be rocket science.


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DDOcrackhead Stormreaver Piker Offline Worlds: Khyber, Wayfinder Posts: 523 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #10 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 6:28pm	Print Post
	Give me $20,000 a month and I'll manage this game twice as good as you do with only a handful of people. Some reasonable store-products and art-department included. I'd fix all the shitty bugs and start a viral marketing campaign. I'd make all customers happy and make them actually spend money because the'd know the game's still running in 2 years. I'd polish this shit like it was a blizzard game, not some 3rd rate russian indie title. Halflings would worship me as a deity!!!� Instead we have ... this!
	« Last Edit: Aug 29^th, 2013 at 6:35pm by DDOcrackhead »
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sadface Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 105 Joined: Jun 19^th, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #11 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 6:36pm	Print Post
	well i am not a user so i do not feel this pain.


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Sgtgig Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 172 Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #12 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	DDO's code must really be a mess if it has this much trouble with basic integers. I usually don't mind bugs but this is just sad. I sort of feel or majmal. Showing "you have -80 enhancement points" could have easily been a result of one single erroneous bit, but this raid counter bug seems to be totally random.


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whothefuckami Stormreaver Piker Offline Oppan Gangnam Style Posts: 599 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #13 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	I should look into this. Is /quest completions FoS'ed?

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OnePercenter Advocatus Diaboli Offline Ants Eat Dead Grasshoppers Posts: 9985 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #14 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:20pm	Print Post
	Sgtgig wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 6:43pm: DDO's code must really be a mess if it has this much trouble with basic integers. I usually don't mind bugs but this is just sad. I sort of feel or majmal. Showing "you have -80 enhancement points" could have easily been a result of one single erroneous bit, but this raid counter bug seems to be totally random. But random is better, right???

	Feynman wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:57pm: One thing for everyone who is a "skeptic" on this issue: Insurance companies are basing their underwriting on the assumption that it is real. They are refusing to write policies on homes that are likely to be in danger from rising seas 20 years from now, even though the resale rate of the homes is so high that they could keep writing policies for another 10 years and still not have to pay out on 1 policy in 5, but that would be irresponsible. Unethical, as well, but that's never stopped anyone before. IMARANGER wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 6:12pm: It is fairly natural to assume that the fair price for the pot is the fair value of the resources I needed to make the pot plus the fair value of my labor. IMARANGER wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 4:56pm: You were right this time, OnePercenter.� iliveyourdream13 wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 2:02pm: #bringbackreadingcomprehension
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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #15 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:27pm	Print Post
	OnePercenter wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:20pm: But random is better, right??? Ok, you actually got me to laugh out loud with that one


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sadface Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 105 Joined: Jun 19^th, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #16 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:30pm	Print Post
	OnePercenter wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:20pm: But random is better, right???� well played


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fuckFoS Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 273 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2013	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #17 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 8:35pm	Print Post
	I had a big what the fuck moment when i logged in after two weeks to see that i had completed heroic citw 16 times. well no fucking wonder that raid has shit for drprates then if i've been playig a difficulty setting that doesnt exist. bangup job turbine, really.


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Feklar Korthos Resident Offline Not a hater, ... unless you're human. Posts: 85 Joined: Jan 23^rd, 2013	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #18 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 11:00pm	Print Post
	My favorite part of this whole shinannegan is that the reason they split the counter was in anticipation of providing separate lists for H and E. Except Cord then says that that feature may or may not ever actually happen. So like, we usually get bugs when new features are introduced, but this time they skipped the feature and just gave us the bug. That's just downright brilliant.


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majmalphunktion Major Motherfucking Malphunktion Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 283 Joined: May 20^th, 2011	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #19 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 11:59pm	Print Post
	Sgtgig wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 6:43pm: DDO's code must really be a mess if it has this much trouble with basic integers. I usually don't mind bugs but this is just sad. I sort of feel or majmal. Showing "you have -80 enhancement points" could have easily been a result of one single erroneous bit, but this raid counter bug seems to be totally random. We fought this bug all week. Delayed patch twice. I'm not in today, but what I got from email is it is one epic quest, and can be fixed a. by CS, b.versioning in the next patch. Chill. It wasn't perfect, but I was seeing crashes every day that we were sitting on in the patch, and 4+ exploits exc. Rolling back was not an option sadly, it was discussed, but would have put us in a worse place with this raid counter stuff. All this will be sorted out with the next patch.


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Dark_Helmet Wielder of the Schwartz Offline I hate you! Posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 14^th, 2010	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #20 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:08am	Print Post
	I don't think he will care, but here is my opinion: Each time they get new code monkeys, they jump all in to solve a problem by rewriting it their way. They don't solve the players' true problem, players don't "love" their work and then the developer quits / moves on. So, Turbine will abandon that system because another Dev comes along with a "great idea". So, we have more useless crap to collect, characters are completely changed, equipment is useless. These recent enhancement changes are like me being stuck in traffic and mad about it. Then, a bum (Turbine dev) comes along, spits on my windshield, "cleans" it with a dirty rag and demands some money. They don't realize that the reason I am not moving is the FUCKING TRAFFIC and that cleaning my windshield doesn't make me go any faster. And, they (Mal) wants me to "thank them" for fucking up my windshield and not solving my original problem - that I am stuck in traffic. Thanks for not understanding the Issue, Mal.


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majmalphunktion Major Motherfucking Malphunktion Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 283 Joined: May 20^th, 2011	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #21 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:11am	Print Post
	DDOcrackhead wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 6:28pm: Give me $20,000 a month and I'll manage this game twice as good as you do with only a handful of people. Some reasonable store-products and art-department included. I'd fix all the shitty bugs and start a viral marketing campaign. I'd make all customers happy and make them actually spend money because the'd know the game's still running in 2 years. I'd polish this shit like it was a blizzard game, not some 3rd rate russian indie title. Halflings would worship me as a deity!!!� Instead we have ... this! Wow. Total bullshit. No idea what it takes to run an MMO. Blizzard? And the undead army that they have? Go look at their staffing. The job page goes on for like 16 pages. They have a separate building for QA. For 3 games. 300+ testers. Like Far Cry 3? 1000 people worked on that. Knights of the Old republic? 500. Skyrim on line - close to 800 now. Well, go forth armchair developer. Unity is easy. Go build this mystical game. Love to play it...in like 100 years.


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majmalphunktion Major Motherfucking Malphunktion Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 283 Joined: May 20^th, 2011	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #22 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am	Print Post
	Dark_Helmet wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:08am: I don't think he will care, but here is my opinion: Each time they get new code monkeys, they jump all in to solve a problem by rewriting it their way. They don't solve the players' true problem, players don't "love" their work and then the developer quits / moves on. So, Turbine will abandon that system because another Dev comes along with a "great idea". So, we have more useless crap to collect, characters are completely changed, equipment is useless. These recent enhancement changes are like me being stuck in traffic and mad about it. Then, a bum (Turbine dev) comes along, spits on my windshield, "cleans" it with a dirty rag and demands some money. They don't realize that the reason I am not moving is the FUCKING TRAFFIC and that cleaning my windshield doesn't make me go any faster. And, they (Mal) wants me to "thank them" for fucking up my windshield and not solving my original problem - that I am stuck in traffic. Thanks for not understanding the Issue, Mal. I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy.


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OnePercenter Advocatus Diaboli Offline Ants Eat Dead Grasshoppers Posts: 9985 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #23 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:17am	Print Post
	majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 11:59pm: and 4+ exploits exc. Damn... I always miss most of them... Thanks for the updates, btw...

	Feynman wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:57pm: One thing for everyone who is a "skeptic" on this issue: Insurance companies are basing their underwriting on the assumption that it is real. They are refusing to write policies on homes that are likely to be in danger from rising seas 20 years from now, even though the resale rate of the homes is so high that they could keep writing policies for another 10 years and still not have to pay out on 1 policy in 5, but that would be irresponsible. Unethical, as well, but that's never stopped anyone before. IMARANGER wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 6:12pm: It is fairly natural to assume that the fair price for the pot is the fair value of the resources I needed to make the pot plus the fair value of my labor. IMARANGER wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 4:56pm: You were right this time, OnePercenter.� iliveyourdream13 wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 2:02pm: #bringbackreadingcomprehension
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #24 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:28am	Print Post
	majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:11am: Wow. Total bullshit. No idea what it takes to run an MMO. Blizzard? And the undead army that they have? Go look at their staffing. The job page goes on for like 16 pages. They have a separate building for QA. For 3 games. 300+ testers. Like Far Cry 3? 1000 people worked on that. Knights of the Old republic? 500. Skyrim on line - close to 800 now. Well, go forth armchair developer. Unity is easy. Go build this mystical game. Love to play it...in like 100 years.

	Stand on hills of long-forgotten yesterdays... Looking for a sign that the Universal Mind has written you into the Passion Play.
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