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Oeuf Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 22 Location: The Great White North Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Aug 20^th, 2013 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	Really, I can't believe someone actually sat down at a meeting and thought the new upgrade was any good. What a complete steaming pile of crap this is. So far I haven't come across a single one of my characters who hasn't been knerfed in some form or another. So much for feedback on Lammania were the new enhancement scheme was universally panned. I guess if you can't program new and exciting raids and dungeons you just knerf the whole player base and say you made the game harder.

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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #1 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:19pm	Print Post
	Oeuf wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 8:40pm: Really, I can't believe someone actually sat down at a meeting and thought the new upgrade was any good.� What a complete steaming pile of crap this is.� So far I haven't come across a single one of my characters who hasn't been knerfed in some form or another.� So much for feedback on Lammania were the new enhancement scheme was universally panned.� I guess if you can't program new and exciting raids and dungeons you just knerf the whole player base and say you made the game harder. 1) nerf does not have a K at the beginning. 2) The enhancement pass wasn't entirely bad, my over all opinion was that it was a general dps bump for most builds, and a general defense lowering for most builds, and generally I feel like the enhancement pass went over well. There are many new� interesting builds to try, and old ones that you would never do before that are now actually viable.
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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #2 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:09pm	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:19pm: 1) nerf does not have a K at the beginning. This was also my nee-jerk reaction.


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OnePercenter Advocatus Diaboli Offline Ants Eat Dead Grasshoppers Posts: 9985 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #3 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	How new? Or who knew?

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #4 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:26pm	Print Post
	Oeuf wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 8:40pm: Really, I can't believe someone actually sat down at a meeting and thought the new upgrade was any good.� What a complete steaming pile of crap this is.� So far I haven't come across a single one of my characters who hasn't been knerfed in some form or another.� So much for feedback on Lammania were the new enhancement scheme was universally panned.� I guess if you can't program new and exciting raids and dungeons you just knerf the whole player base and say you made the game harder. MOST of my toons actually turned out better with the new enhancement system. My THF Defender of Siberys got screwed royally but he was the only one.

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Dr_tank2vich Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Darma! Posts: 1427 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Joined: Aug 16^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #5 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm	Print Post
	Anyone else having problems with the enhancement resetting when you hit accept? Twice now I've had to redistribute points. Worst part is that some points were pulled from the top tier but the display still show them allocated. I don't know I don't have that enhancement until I pull up the character sheet later.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #6 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm	Print Post
	Dr_tank2vich wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm: Anyone else having problems with the enhancement resetting when you hit accept? Twice now I've had to redistribute points. Worst part is that some points were pulled from the top tier but the display still show them allocated. I don't know I don't have that enhancement until I pull up the character sheet later. Happened to me several times.

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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #7 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	Dr_tank2vich wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm: Anyone else having problems with the enhancement resetting when you hit accept? Twice now I've had to redistribute points. Worst part is that some points were pulled from the top tier but the display still show them allocated. I don't know I don't have that enhancement until I pull up the character sheet later. Happened to me as well. Seems to happen when enhancements are de-selected and then re-selected. I'm sure it's WAI, because, you know - the whole "years in the making, extended alpha and beta, we really love the players and do the best job possible" thing. Also - "experts". I'm sure it's an exploit to commit the enhancements in small batches so that you don't need to reset trees that incorrectly show enhancements as allocated.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #8 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:59pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:52pm: Happened to me as well. Seems to happen when enhancements are de-selected and then re-selected. I'm sure it's WAI, because, you know - the whole "years in the making, extended alpha and beta, we really love the players and do the best job possible" thing. Also - "experts". I'm sure it's an exploit to commit the enhancements in small batches so that you don't need to reset trees that incorrectly show enhancements as allocated. I found that if you do each tree separately and hit "accept" every time APs won't reset. Best order for me was: 1) Main tree where you'll get your t5 + maybe capstone 2) Racial tree 3) Dip trees
	« Last Edit: Aug 20^th, 2013 at 11:00pm by Alex DeLarge »

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Silky Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1267 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #9 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:10am	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:19pm: 1) nerf does not have a K at the beginning. A new word? Knifed + nerfed = knerfed


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Goaticorn DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 405 Location: In a magical wonderland Joined: Jan 6^th, 2012	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #10 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:23am	Print Post
	I think the OP is an anagram, I mean "How thought this"? It's gotta be!


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deftest Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 314 Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #11 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:40am	Print Post
	knerf sounds better with a k it has a knerfier tone and feel its like nerf went to the gym worked out,juiced up quite a bit engaged in several fights/angry sex with strangers... came back and said my name is knerf kbitchs


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #12 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:50am	Print Post
	Dr_tank2vich wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm: Anyone else having problems with the enhancement resetting when you hit accept? Happened to me too on several characters... I just reassign stuff. Alex DeLarge wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:59pm: I found that if you do each tree separately and hit "accept" every time APs won't reset. Interesting, as it seems the system works through each tree ( from right to left ) to give you back your points when you reset the enhancements it's possible that it is doing the same when "applying" the changes you make, and gets glutted when you apply changes in more than one tree. Talk about sloppy programming.

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notajedi Stormreaver Piker Offline What idiot puts personal information here? Gunga Posts: 528 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #13 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 6:55am	Print Post
	Dr_tank2vich wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm: Anyone else having problems with the enhancement resetting when you hit accept? Twice now I've had to redistribute points. Worst part is that some points were pulled from the top tier but the display still show them allocated. I don't know I don't have that enhancement until I pull up the character sheet later. It was bug reported on Lammania, but deemed not a show stopper. It actually happens quite often.


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LordPiglet Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 660 Location: H-Town Joined: Jan 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #14 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:24am	Print Post
	The enhancement points that you've allocated, but haven't hit the "accept" button for will reset if you hit the left or right arrows to show additional trees.
	« Last Edit: Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:36am by LordPiglet »

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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #15 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	LordPiglet wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:24am: The enhancement points that you've allocated, but haven't hit the "accept" button for will reset if you hit the left or right arrows to show additional trees. BRILLIANT! I'm still convinced that it's WAI and is intended to discourage people from using more trees than Race+3. Expert Experts are Expert!

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #16 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	I agree with other posters. The enhancement pass is not total crap. My FvS is better than before. DPS is up on most of my toons. Defense is noticibly weaker, but then I was TR'ing my SD Tank and he just got to 20 the day before the update, so he's not at cap yet with all his gear, so I'm not sure what he will look like. Some things are off. It's just taking some tinkering to find the sweet spots. They aren't where they used to be and they aren't necessarily where you would think they will be. The new quests aren't bad. I like the two adventure areas. We need a RAID badly. That sucks. And I think they went overboard on the loot power curve, but otherwise, it's a good update. Not sure it was "expansion" worthy, but I'm having fun playing the game.


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Oeuf Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 22 Location: The Great White North Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #17 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:03am	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:19pm: 1) nerf does not have a K at the beginning. 2) The enhancement pass wasn't entirely bad, my over all opinion was that it was a general dps bump for most builds, and a general defense lowering for most builds, and generally I feel like the enhancement pass went over well. There are many new� interesting builds to try, and old ones that you would never do before that are now actually viable. !.� Sorry an old guy here, thinking back to when the Knerf guns first came out that's how they spelled them. 2.� Took the Arcane Archer out for a test run tonight.� There are some possibilities there, but you are no longer a pure DPSer, more of a lite DPSer with CC if you use the Paralysis stance.� Still pissed at losing my conjured +5 arrows though.

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Oeuf Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 22 Location: The Great White North Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #18 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:06am	Print Post
	Goaticorn wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:23am: I think the OP is an anagram, I mean "How thought this"?� It's gotta be! Late night, couple of hits of Glen Livet and Who becomes How. Gimme a break I barely passed grade 9 typing back in 71.

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CosmicCharlie Shroud Slacker Offline How do you do? Posts: 1155 Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2012	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #19 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:53am	Print Post
	The final episode of Alf was a bummer. But at least he never invented knerfed. You may become an interwebtube meme hero for a thousand views.


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #20 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:46pm	Print Post
	Oeuf wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:03am: !.� Sorry an old guy here, thinking back to when the Knerf guns first came out that's how they spelled them. 2.� Took the Arcane Archer out for a test run tonight.� There are some possibilities there, but you are no longer a pure DPSer, more of a lite DPSer with CC if you use the Paralysis stance.� Still pissed at losing my conjured +5 arrows though. How to realize arcane archers are still the best pure dpsers: 1) get slaying arrows. 2) max out fury of the wild 3) twist in pin 4) make enemy helpless 5) adrenaline+slaying arrow his ass. 6) realize that if you do this with manyshot while using the fury epic moment you get to do it for FOUR ARROWS at the same time. 7) Win.

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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #21 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	Plus damage boost...


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #22 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm: Plus damage boost... half elf is a good choice so helf dmg boost+tempest tree haste boost+haste+primal scream+ram's might

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #23 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:34pm	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm: Plus damage boost... Ah HA I knew I was missing something. I am also missing sprint boost


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: How thought this new upgrade had any merit??????? Reply #24 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:36pm	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:46pm: How to realize arcane archers are still the best pure dpsers: 1) get slaying arrows. 2) max out fury of the wild 3) twist in pin 4) make enemy helpless 5) adrenaline+slaying arrow his ass. 6) realize that if you do this with manyshot while using the fury epic moment you get to do it for FOUR ARROWS at the same time. 7) Win. And yet I still hate it. I know it's illogical.


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