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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3470 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #50 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 4:37am	Print Post
	LOL...Some people forget that Big F'kin Stick build was created as a FLAVOR build and not as top DPS�
	« Last Edit: Oct 29^th, 2013 at 4:42am by Alex DeLarge »

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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #51 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:05am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 4:37am: LOL...Some people forget that Big F'kin Stick build was created as a FLAVOR build and not as top DPS� It still kills quick thanks to Woo Woo, and killed really quick when stunning blow caused autocrits. But yeah, the 'DPS' is poo.


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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Stick builds? Reply #52 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:05am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 4:13am: No fucking shit. Despite all the crap you listed, everything I said still stands true. Nope. Staves do get glancing blows from regular attacks. They do not get glancing blows from Cleave and Great Cleave. Per my quote above, QStaves have the same attack speed as greataxes.

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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3470 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #53 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:15am	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:05am: It still kills quick thanks to Woo Woo, and killed really quick when stunning blow caused autocrits. Woo Woo is gonna get nerfed in u20, or so I heard...


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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #54 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:29am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:15am: Woo Woo is gonna get nerfed in u20, or so I heard... Alas, tis stru


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #55 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:43am	Print Post
	Obviously not top-dps...but will 13 rogue/3 druid/2 barb work out acceptably on a TR at 20 toon? My son is really anti-monk but wants a stick toon that has druid in it and that's what I've come up with so far. 1 rogue at the start for skill points, 1 barb for run speed, 3 druid for forms/spells/reaving roar, then go all-out on the rogue levels after that.

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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Stick builds? Reply #56 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	On a TR, sticks are a nice choice - a number of these listed advantages of TWF and unarmed over qstaves aren't that huge while leveling, so it's not a bad choice per say. Druid/Barb has some kind of antisynergy, as you can't cast while raged, but both have some nice options to enhance damage. I'm not sure if a different split than 3/2 would offer more. If you can, I'd try to fit in Stunning Blow.
	« Last Edit: Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:26pm by aDifferentHandle »
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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #57 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:25pm: On a TR, sticks are a nice choice - a number of these listed advantages of TWF and unarmed over qstaves aren't that huge while leveling, so it's not a bad choice per say. Druid/Barb has some kind of antisynergy, as you can't cast while raged, but both have some nice options to enhance damage. I'm not sure if a different split than 3/2 would offer more. If you can, I'd try to fit in Stunning Blow. I think that really clinches a thought I was having then...having him go with 2 fighter over the 2 barb at level 18. It would let him fit in Stunning Blow as well as tactics boosts.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick builds? Reply #58 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:58pm	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:25pm: On a TR, sticks are a nice choice They are, especially in wolf form.

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Stick builds? Reply #59 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 12:27am: If you are going that deep in Monk, you may as well not do a stick build.� Just the way it appears to me on the surface. T5 ability man. It's like night and day


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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Stick builds? Reply #60 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:58pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 12:55am: in order of preference: 9druid/9monk/2fighter 9druid/10rogue/1monk 9druid/8fighter/3monk Considering all these builds munk what's the best weapons to be using on them? For the last split I'm definitely thinking centered with bastard swords nightmare\first blood.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick builds? Reply #61 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:35pm	Print Post
	in order: Wraps>shortswords>w/e Wraps>Epic Midnights Greetings>w/e Wraps>nightmare>w/e

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Stick builds? Reply #62 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 12:56am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:35pm: in order: Wraps>shortswords>w/e Wraps>Epic Midnights Greetings>w/e Wraps>nightmare>w/e So would T5 Shintao be the superior destiny for melee druids then? Also, is EMG considering that you'll be using assassinate? I wasn't thinking about that. Does it work in wolf form? Also, why are handwraps better than everything else again? (probably a dumb question, but eh)
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick builds? Reply #63 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:46am	Print Post
	with the EMG it's for the t5 assasin +1 crit threat and multiplier. 9druid/9monk/2fighter > no T5 9druid/10rogue/1monk > t5 Assasin 9druid/8fighter/3monk > t5 Fighter.

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Stick builds? Reply #64 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 2:19am	Print Post
	Making a lot of sense now, thanks Munk.


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3470 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #65 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:51am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:46am: with the EMG it's for the t5 assasin +1 crit threat and multiplier. except there is no +1 crit threat to Kukris: Knife Specialization: You gain a +1 Competence bonus to Critical Damage Multiplier with daggers and kukris. Daggers also gain a +1 Competence bonus to Critical Threat Range.


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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Stick builds? Reply #66 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:02am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:51am: except there is no +1 crit threat to Kukris: Knife Specialization: You gain a +1 Competence bonus to Critical Damage Multiplier with daggers and kukris. Daggers also gain a +1 Competence bonus to Critical Threat Range. Still it's hard to find a weapon with a better crit profile than 15-20x3 which still leaves you centered. Some napkin math tells me that T5 assassin EMG and unarmed get a similar amount of extra damage per 1 point of Str, but still unarmed has the faster attack speed.
	« Last Edit: Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:13am by aDifferentHandle »
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3470 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #67 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:33am	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:02am: Still it's hard to find a weapon with a better crit profile than 15-20x3 which still leaves you centered. Nope. Kukris and Daggers=/=Shorswords. Only one build keeps you centered with EMGs: 9druid/8fighter/3monk > t5 Fighter Keen edge+one with the blade, which ironically gives you +1 to crit threat, but no multiplier. Depending on if Keen edge works before Imp.crit or after the crit profile of EMG would be: 13-20x2 or 14-20x2 (earth stance excluded) Note: It may also be an option to reach 30+ Int score for the lovely +10 enh bonus to EMGs.


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Limpgimp Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 18^th, 2012	Re: Stick builds? Reply #68 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:44am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:33am: Nope. Kukris and Daggers=/=Shorswords. Only one build keeps you centered with EMGs: 9druid/8fighter/3monk > t5 Fighter Keen edge+one with the blade, which ironically gives you +1 to crit threat, but no multiplier. Depending on if Keen edge works before Imp.crit or after the crit profile of EMG would be: 13-20x2 or 14-20x2 (earth stance excluded) Note: It may also be an option to reach 30+ Int score for the lovely +10 enh bonus to EMGs. A fine blade used by assassins, Midnight Greetings deals significant damage when wielded by a combatant with a sharp mind. Monks may use this weapon without becoming un-centered. Reading is hard.


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3470 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #69 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:51am	Print Post
	Limpgimp wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:44am: A fine blade used by assassins, Midnight Greetings deals significant damage when wielded by a combatant with a sharp mind. Monks may use this weapon without becoming un-centered. Reading is hard. Never saw that on the EMGs. When was this added? Reading IS hard sometimes...


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Limpgimp Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 18^th, 2012	Re: Stick builds? Reply #70 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 6:27am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:51am: Never saw that on the EMGs. When was this added? Reading IS hard sometimes... It was always like this afaik, just wasn't much of practical use.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick builds? Reply #71 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 6:54am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:51am: except there is no +1 crit threat to Kukris: Knife Specialization: You gain a +1 Competence bonus to Critical Damage Multiplier with daggers and kukris. Daggers also gain a +1 Competence bonus to Critical Threat Range. Bah I missed that >< I'll need to do the math again later, but it should still be an attractive option. aDifferentHandle wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 5:02am: Some napkin math tells me that T5 assassin EMG and unarmed get a similar amount of extra damage per 1 point of Str, but still unarmed has the faster attack speed. These are Winterwolf builds, wraps make no difference to attack speed.

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Stick builds? Reply #72 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	Now on the 9\8\3 are you WIS based or STR based?


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick builds? Reply #73 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:42pm	Print Post
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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Stick builds? Reply #74 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 4:47am	Print Post
	Just LR'd my second lifer into 13rog/6mnk/1fvs, playing with FoT woo-woo stick till u20 raider's box gives sireth.


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