Okay, so I know that deception weapons and deception body-slot items give multiple chances of proccing, but does the same apply to multiple body-slot items?  Say Backstabber's Gloves and Epic Golden Guile?  I was trying to test it last night, but the game was so damn laggy that I couldn't really establish what the hell was going on.  Plus it seems to reach a point where if you've turned a boss around enough they never turn back...  I'm left being unable to tell whether to slot it twice or not.

Weird bug: minor, but annoying.  Up until recently I have had only one toon with Wizard levels.  That toon was the only one I couldn't double-click on the name of in the loading screen to enter the game; I have to select it and then click "Enter", while all the others worked fine.  My main finally completed his final build as 17/2/1 Druid/Monk/Wiz and...  now I've picked up the Wizard level, I can't double-click to load him in   

Has anyone else experienced this glitch?

Random shit: on the same sort of theme as Improved Deception, if I slot multiple Ruby Eyes of the same type in a single weapon, is it multiple chances of a proc or not?  Again, I was finding it really difficult to tell.  Is there some way to persuade the game to actually spit out a combat log?

Also, WTF is up with the Spinner of Shadows?!  I totally expect a gigantic spider-demon-goddess to come on all aggressive, but last night she was a submissive little bitch; a couple of slaps and she spent the rest of the fight cowering.  But at the same time, she was only taking base damage from my attacks; no augments were triggering, no weapon effects, no Sense Weakness untyped damage...  It was seriously fucked-up, and given that I was only in there to try and test shit, seriously annoying too.

Persiflage wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 5:32am:



I have the same problem with toon that has a wizard splash.

Persiflage wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 5:32am:


I've had the end boss Kishnaurac in deal with the Demon just stop attacking and sit there just flailing his arms.  I've heard from other people that the end bosses seem to be bugged.

I checked not horribly long ago (less than 2 updates I'm pretty sure), and with that testing (hundreds of whacks on the ship dummy), I found:

With non-weapon Gear, Deception and Improved Deception do stack.

And Weapons will stack with all non-weapon gear.

Non-weapons give deception to both hands of a TWF, but weapons only give it to their own strikes.


So you can get a pretty huge chunk of deception.  That said, I've found less useful for mob spinning than you'd hope.  While some mobs do the crazy spinning action and have problems hitting you back, most don't seem to do that.  They get the light black aura, sneaks are now possible on them, but that's it.

I'm not quite sure what the rules are, but giant types and caster types seem to be the spinniest.

idk if its still working, but when i run echains of flame, then archers hit by deception forgot they have bows:) they waved to me from up there

harharharhar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:


Yes, they definitely stack, at least for the Blindness proc.  What I'm now trying to figure out is whether they "stack" if you have multiple body-slot Deceptions.  And of course whether you can get multiple chances of ruby-eye procs if you have more than one in a single weapon. 

harharharhar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

Item deception procs seperately with weapon deception. Same is true for Imp deception, and all 4 can be used.

Rubbinns wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:


Do you know if multiple items will proc though?

rest wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:58pm:


Hmmm.  Mine could when he was pure, on his first life.  Now he's splashed... not.

Persiflage wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

You mean like Deceit, Guile, and Backstabber? Not sure, would think it shows up on combat log VS ship dummy. Probably easiest to use 1hf, or 2hf build no doublestrikes or glancing blows.

Any word on if like-augment procs stack on the same weapon?

I got arthritis from this bug

My 18wiz/2rog double clicks into game fine. 
Rarely none of my toons will log in unless I hit enter.  Usually happens on my sons account, and very rare on mine.

Spinner spends most her time only taking base wpn dmg far as I've seen this year or longer. 
Perhaps theres always a pug tossing the bombs on her, I just thought it was normal.

Just because I happened to remember about this...  After ER'ing a second time, I can once again double-click the character into the world.  Does this count as the most trivial bug in DDO?

If so, I should report it as I'm sure they'll get right on that   

ThE PhAnTOM GoD wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

The part of adrenaline that removes the buff is a weapon proc. The spinner typically doesn't take weapon procs. This isalso the reason it won't be removed on a grazing hit. This also happens with a red named during red alert.