Rubbinns wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:



This is true.  My maths are stupid at midnight halfway through a 12 hour shift.  However, I believe that lesser death aura is proving every 3 seconds.  I seem to get spirit wverytime it goes off, without “missed” spirit on ticks.

That’s one of the reasons I went to wizard vs cleric originally.  Radiant servant aura is definitely every 2 seconds.

Over 12 seconds a cleric gets 10 spirit from aura, and warlocks perfect 3second ticks generate 14 (counting the 2 you get on initial cast). 

Again, at work atm, but that’s a super easy one to test when I get home in the morning.  Pop zombie form and aura and count

Ulysses wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:14pm:


That blows.  Unsurprising, but shitty.  So unless you do get the extra chance hits over 100% doublestrike, just aim for 100-105 doublestrike on the build, and then focus on other crap

No.  That’s the only real drawback I’ve found with this build.  Spirit management in questswith undead is much trickier.  However most quests epic lvl aren’t completely undead only.   So you have lots of fleshy mobs to tick off of. 

But definitively trickier to maintain in those situations cause your aura is useless. 

But only giving up 3 lvls and 6AP for a wizard tree, vs 12 lvls and 30+ AP (and lose T5 enhancements) for lock, or 5lvls and again 32ap and lost T5 for cleric...  wizard is well ahead of anything else to get an aura with imho.

And add on the extra EK cleave for 1ap, uses tree damage, not weapon, and doesn’t share cooldowns with other cleaves.  Well worth it.  Extra doublestrike in EK tree as well with minimal AP outlay.   

Only needing 3 lvls frees up options like 12 fighter 5 monk 3 wiz Kensai T5 with power surge...  11 ranger 6 monk with free gtwf and Killer in deepwood, vistani melee power and doublestrike...

Lots of things you can’t get with losing 5 or 12 lvls and all those AP to cleric and lock

ElGuapo wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 1:32am:


I don't think any of the dps tier 5's are worth much for trees. shining thru and self cast displace are dope. long quests, or r10s either means having 10 clickies or self cast. i dont have clickies on that alt. so I tr'd into that. havent leveled it yet tho.

tier 5 VKF seems best, imo due to dodge and prr clicky. and it doesnt require a dagger to use the dodge ability. shintao tier 5 is okay too, since getting missed triggers violence begets violence ( works in animal forms). ninja spy isnt that good now when monk builds can be stacking 80~ dstrike, but not useless.  for high skulls i would stay with vkf or shining through.

Dire charge ftw.  Better than 20 melee power for sure

Indeed.   And if you con build your tree (which you should) you get 110-120 dcs easy on dire charge.  That aoe stun and helpless damage is priceless

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:


That is bit incorrect, the wlock aura has a internal cd where when its listed 2 sec its actually 2.0 something where it desyncs with your tree spirit sustain.
I tried multiple wlock builds on lama back in the day as i assumed warlock was the best option due to passive spirit sustain.
After researching all the videos posted from some tree players and after testing myself (it was a large ammunt of builds) i always encountered the timing being off on a warlock tree with both lv 6 and 12 cores.
Death aura should techically skip a cyclce but you can manipulate it so that the skip is 1 aura tick while even when you manipulate the tick from  warlock you get 4 - 5 skips in prolonged fights (due to incorrect timing of the aura ticks).

Now im not sure if it was because of server instability or false coding, but ask any player that actually pays attention to record and then replay aura ticks that it is off by a marging which is messing up tree sustain.

Shining trough is great tho, is main reason why i always felt bad for not managing to make a warlock tree pull out the same ammount of efectivness as a wiz split.
Cleric would still be best because the timing for aura ticks is correct, but that tier 5  /:

That is why i said you cant take anything for granted with tree builds, they really require extensive testing and knowledge of how things work at that specific moment ingame.

About the 8 hits for ww, before wraps were coded as weapons ww was bugged to produced a maximum of 8 hits, after the weapon change to hdwraps it was oddly reflected as well into wolf/bear/tree forms to produce a maximum of 4 hits. (no idea if they messed with the code again since it its more then a year since i played ddo).

Either way, if i was to play ddo again i would prolly roll a pure monk with some kind of dex/wisdom/int approach for cc or whatnot

Lelouch wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:17am:


Correct. Although whirlwind can occasionally strike 5 times with high enough doublestrike. In terms of damage its why the barb split with supreme cleave is higher in damage now.  Also the new great crossbow (2d8+3 14-20x3 vs 1d20 19-20x2).

Ofcourse a monk/ranger tree can come close to damage when using 10k stars/manyshot with the visanti enhancement.  However, its damage is still behind (especially when you consider the sentient boost set).

Trees are all about preference and playstyle, so there is no best all around.

Teth wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:14pm:


Vistani enhancement for 10k? I know the morale doubleshot works if you macro the swap, but I couldn't get the 100% doubleshot active to work at all, which enhancement are you talking about?

NM you must be talking about melee power to ranged attacks

Teth wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:41pm:


tree's are so weird I did not know that

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 5:57pm:


Interesting.
That would make wlock builds viable.
When i played around with them the timing was off no matter how i tried to sync and when i recorded it and went step by step with tests it was off by a fewl miliseconds which messed up with spirit ticks.
I will blame server instability since the tests were done when they swaped servers

Looks at this thread.
Looks at 3rd Arty tree on PC forums.
??
Profit

I don't know enough about trees to work on a new build.  Have to wait and do that yourself.

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