SpaceGoat wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 3:31pm:



11 ranger 6 monk 3 wizard asimar scourge.
Visanti based tree

So far I’m at lvl 23 with a 5 piece prowess on a sentient agony, and the lvl 10 barovian dagger offhand.  Lol

This build is very very tight. 

I’m getting over 110% doublestrike at lvl 22 with my reaper action boost running.  Standing 75% doublestrike without visanti coins and reaper actionboost. 

It’s a trash eater for sure, and if you know the spirit mechanics you can maintain tree form indefinitely with this build.

Ac will be 200 ish endgame, prr 260 ish in tree form, doublestrike fully buffed will be in the 130 range at lvl 30 geared up. 

My whirlwind attacks when I’m over 100% doublestrike have the chance to proc 8-12 hits.  It’s ridiculous. 

Running in wind stance I give up a crit mod on19-20 rolls, but I find the extra 9% doublestrike worth it. 

I don’t know if it will stack with legendary pendant of the warriors focus.  Will check once I get to 28.  If not sun stance for the extra x1 crit mod.

Been soloing r2 no problem so far.  Eveningstar 1,2,3 the well, spies in house etc.  No deaths.  No issues with spirit regen.  Visanti stacks nicely with tree.

Extra cleave from EK gives you another fast attack

Cleave, great cleave, whirlwind attack, ek cleave, trip, sunder, stunning blow and (at 30) dire charge.  All fast attacks.  Never have a time when I’m on cool down and have to use something slow.

However the slow visanti attack for the extra 10 seconds of 10% doublestrike might be worthwhile once in a while, even though you would sacrifice a fast attack or 2 with the slow animation.

However with the visanti extra melee alacrity with daggers, and visanti haste boost running, tree actually attacks not too ridiculously slow, even with full animation actions.

All told it’s a very nice looking build so far.  Once I get it to 30 and see how it does in legendary reaper shit I might take points out of Deepwood (lose killer doublestrike bonus) and put it into ninja spy/Shintao for more surviveability.   We’ll see how it goes.


And for whoever asked about kobold beat down numbers on a tree build, you can’t do it.

Kobold area on lamania is a “auto shrine” zone, and it removes your spirit pool every 15 seconds or so, taking you out of tree form and making it impossible to keep up spirit during a kobold whooping.  Tree will never be able to get good kobold numbers. 

However doing DPS testing in Cabal for One on the first rednamed mob, and that 300k hp giant in storm horns Trackers Trap, my old tree build was getting 15k DPS no problem.  Sustained.  And that’s AOE damage. In top tree form DPS is 50k+, but you can only keep that going for 4 or 5 melee rotations before you have to jump out of tree.  Burst DPS gets ridiculous with crits though

With the addition of reaper doublestrike bonuses, reaper melee power, prowess sentient items (adds 75 melee power for 10 secs during action boosts, as well as a flat 20 melee power from the filigrees) and visanti doublestrike/melee power...  add on racial past lives and asimar scourge doublestrike, asimar lay on hands (useable in tree form) I think I’ll get far better numbers with this build at cap than I did 10 months ago with my old tree. 

Situationally I should be up over 300 melee power and 100 doublestrike with this new build.  And standing I’ll be at least 30% doublestrike and 50 ish melee power higher than my old tree build. 

Visanti vs Kensai (old build) looks to be the way to go. 

However, if they fix kensai so that it actually adds the crit mods to unarmed attacks like it says it should (Druidic weapons or monk weapons I believe) then kensai would be better. (Possible +1 crit mod and +1 threat range addition iirc, but it’s never actually applied to unarmed attacks in general, let alone tree builds)

In that case it would be 12 fighter 5 monk 3 wizard kensai/vistani build. (Kensai t5+4th core, vistani all cores)

Just need a TOEE dagger to upgrade for that set bonus offhand for the additional 20 melee power there too. 

I’ll let you know how it runs

If i get time to get back to the game after job relocation and after i pay funeral services, il try to rebuild a tree again with all the changes.
Sadly building a tree build revolves mostly about ingame time and finding out all the current bugs with gear and attacks.
Example i generally picked palading splits due to cleaves exalted cleaves and cleave twist which all broke the animation.
Sustain of tree aura was when i played from all tests i did with 3 wiz split which allowed for alot of room for other class splits to offer most benefit.
Id like to see (at least on lama) what the current max efficiency is that a treebuild nowadays can do.
Only thing i payed attention about ddo is the absurd base damage the new wraps give which also puts a slight doubt if tree is far ahead as it was before.
(but with all the stacking bonuses to melee power etc, id says it still is as long as its in a player that is capable to play it).
From all the builds i played treebuild was definitely the most hard one to play due to all the micromanagment you had to do and timings you had to pay attention to. (worst was knowing your limits and when to engage and how much to engage)

I'm playing the Cleric version of the tree still.   Just a really big easy button on the spirit maintaining.

But I've switched to Aasimar (with 11 free AP for racial completionist), I easily get the 7 Aasimar Lay on Hands and with 150 Healing Amp, I get 300 to 600 hit points for each one and they can be activated in Tree form.

and I'm doing the Visanti enhancements as well.

Been running through R1 solo starting at level 20 (using crappy gear... the commendation e-star gear.  random loot daggers... except at 22 where I switched to thunderforged daggers).

Only time I got close to dying or died was when I jumped into a ton of mobs that had 5 champs and I was still in heroic Elite mode of thinking where I knew I couldn't die... got some massive DOTs stacked on me and wasn't paying attention to healing myself.

You can fire off those Aasimar Lay on Hands quickly.

With crap gear, I've got 150 AC and +100 PRR without even trying.  and 34% dodge.  Adding 20% incorpereality from Monk Ninja Spy, and I'm rarely having to heal anyways.

Whirlwind, cleave, Great cleave, trip, sunder, stunning blow and sap all in rotation...  I'm still on cooldown for 1 or 2 seconds sometimes... need to add in the slow Vistanti "add doublestrike for 10 seconds" attack.

Only time your tree should die is if you just get unlucky with champs.

So i'm just at level 20 running something a little different. 

18 monk/1rog/1wiz

What this thing does is hit 100% dodge for decent amounts of time.  I am running Quarterstaff (with 2 wpn fighting feats). 

My standing dodge is 38% in water stance, then you gain 15% dodge while in your cauldron of flame (33 seconds out of every 60 seconds).  Then if you add in your primal travel/tier 5 vistani clickie/twisted meld into darkness you can hit some decent time with 100% or near 100% dodge.

Thus it plays a lot different.  You just pause and wand whip your spirit to max, then sprint through the dungeon till you have a nice pile of mobs. Hit Cauldron of flame and primal travel (against a wall).  Bam you're invincible while you boost and cleave everything down.  Rinse, repeat.

The downside is that the activation management is the hardest i've ever dealt with.  You have to now not only manage your offensive clickies but carefully manage your defensive clickies or you're dead.

Truth be told i haven't even mastered it yet, although I am solo'ing R1 at level 20 pretty well.

Cauldron of flame generates spirit  .

[td] [/td]Ulysses wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:



young blood, welcome.

This is awesome, but have you been able to find mobs with dodge bypass?

Only barb/Pally trees revert you to weapon damage dice.  All monk versions stay with the upgraded tree unarmedfighting.

So pool holds up fine, and reaper lost souls make it a moot point.  Eross, mysterious bauble.  Never need SP pots or shrines.

Zombie form only when there’s over 10 seconds till next mobs.  Otherwise just pop an sla for 2 quick spirit and get into another fight.  Wizard aura procs spirit whenever it taps mobs. 

Zombie form is for getting spirit at the beginning of the quest, after shrine, running long distances between mobs etc.  Not needed during normal play.

And zombie form toggles off as soon as you proc tree, so loh works fine in tree form.

Don’t twist sacred ground.  Fotw Sense weakness, ld improved combat expertise, ld damage boost, gmf hail of blows, ld extra action boosts.

Damage profile endgame in tree form is 1d20 19-20 x6 ish.

Tree form adds all the dice.  Top tree form I have about 78(1d20)+80 ish.

Lelouch wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 11:25pm:


Its back when i farmed slavers with bots for gear, i didnt record after reaper came out as i wanted to wait to collect new gear, but "stuff happened" and i didnt come back to ddo after that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSimQSnzC3A

Hope the mini preview helps with managment spirit sustain etc

ElGuapo wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 1:30am:


Yea it would be much higher on that split in the current era, reaper didnt come out so there were no reaper aps, my damage jumped up when i got some points since i had more ac boosts and passive ap /+ current gear even in low levels offers way more passive melee power.
I cant say how a treebuild would work right now, but its one of the rare builds that raise exponetionally in power with every crit damage/range/melee power/dstrike item you can gain.
I assume you guys got hella lot of those after release of slavers /sadly i didnt open char screen in that video to showcase dodge /prr/ac and the rest of the stuff, also i was insanely lazy to farm for  leg gsteel, i had alot of plans in the game and the build could evolve considreably, its just that well i got tired from the game + relocated for work and have health issues.
Maybe if i start working in ireland in the upcoming months il come back, but sadly i got hooked to blade and soul r now and spend quite some money in that game-

Techical issues with tree builds were always the same, it takes to much testing after every update to see what changed, what works what doesnt work, what might work etc etc.
It takes id say around 1-2 months of testing before you find the correct combination of skills/feats/class splits/ gear.
Very time consuming builds that require perfect knowledge and insight at the current time, i myself found to many small changes that always entirely changed my builds (sometimes it was 1 piece of gear that incorrectly worked with stacking)

bob the builder wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 4:38pm:


Hmmm I don't know.  Maybe they are annoyed I do most of the killing but when a champ can be a total tank it raises the R level by 1 or 2 even if there is no healer in the group.

Regarding champs that have dodge bypass, ya that is something i'm learning.  It lists which champs have dodge bypass in the Wiki but i don't have it all the way memorized yet.  For ones that do you have to just use an extra clickie to get even higher dodge (I think they just avoid a % of dodge and not all of it) and luckily you still have displacement and 100 prr boost!  (50 from tree, 30 from vistani, 20 from Cauldron of Flame)

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 3:20pm:


I don't understand how this is relevant.  My understanding is that spirit either "ticks" or doesn't "tick" for 2 gained spirit  if from a spell or 1 from melee attack.  Thus it doesn't matter if you hit 100 mobs, 1 mob or just yourself with a spell you get 2 spirit at most every 3 seconds.

I agree on the hits from WW attack.  I believe the cap is 5 with 4 coming early and then the last one coming after a small pause.   I was wondering what was up with the 8 to 10 hits talk up above.

Finally, I concur that the dodge clickies are very strong now.  Stronger than people even know .

And yes, spirit generation is the exact same vs 1 mob (3 per 3 seconds) as it is versus a pile of mobs (still 3 every 3 seconds) however you have a higher chance of getting the spell portion to proc that extra 2 spirit if there’s more mobs around if you kill all mobs in 5 seconds, you only get 3 spirit.  If there’s more trash around for the 6th second, then you get your extra 3 spirit off that one.   Takes careful management. 

And rubbins, totally agree Shintao is now king shit.  I just love my trees

Word on the street is that double strike caps at 100 and does not have any benefit if you go over 100.

Double shot does roll over and give extra shots but not double strike.

That’s why I use lesser death aura.  By design or not, it ticks every 3 seconds on my build