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Bacon Korthos Resident Offline lost, delicious, edible Posts: 81 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2014 Gender:	What were they thinking? Nov 1^st, 2014 at 1:38am	Print Post
	They were not thinking much when the buffed the shit out of pallies and bards, yet left every other class in the dust. And now they're going to do it again with barbarian? Are they lacking that much in resources to update the other classes?

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #1 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 1:50am	Print Post
	They are going in order of worst -> best based off of a survey they took a couple of months ago. We're assuming they'll get through everything eventually in a re-balancing. The Barb changes make them a little less terrible but pallies still looking stronger.


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Hiding Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1298 Joined: Feb 5^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #2 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 2:56am	Print Post
	They're also making some enhancement trees used by more than one class so they don't have to address individual classes. The Harper tree made it so they don't have to worry overmuch about rogues and artificers. The vanguard tree is shared by fighters and pallies. So who knows what class they'll tamper - er, fix - next.


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Bacon Korthos Resident Offline lost, delicious, edible Posts: 81 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #3 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 10:49am	Print Post
	is there any way I can see that survey? all my google searches are turning up nothing

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bob the builder Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 772 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2011	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #4 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 10:52am	Print Post
	survey was done via email. not sure they published results


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GermanicusMaximus Dragon Raider Offline Thou shalt have no other trolls before me. Posts: 294 Joined: Feb 19^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #5 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	bob the builder wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 10:52am: survey was done via email. not sure they published results They published the results. It is someplace on the Turbine forums, although the results were distilled down to a single graph. It is both funny and pathetic that the devs are so stupid as to not be able to parse the results. The majority of the player base play melee toons because 1) most players have nothing even vaguely� resembling game skill 2) melee toons require absolutely no skill to play And the survey says: Buff my melee toons! What a fucking surprise. Dumb asses. Melee players should probably be playing Hello Kitty or My Little Pony Online, except for the fact that they already tried, and failed, at those games. Now, DDO is being targeted to the people who are so inept that they can't make the grade in Hello Kitty or My Little Pony Online. I guess everyone deserves the right to be uber at something. If you suck at real life, suck at Hello Kitty Online, and suck at My Little Pony Online, come play a melee toon in DDO. Now *that* should be the center of DDO's new advertising campaign.

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #6 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 9:12pm	Print Post
	GermanicusMaximus wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 12:23pm: They published the results. It is someplace on the Turbine forums, although the results were distilled down to a single graph. It is both funny and pathetic that the devs are so stupid as to not be able to parse the results. The majority of the player base play melee toons because 1) most players have nothing even vaguely� resembling game skill 2) melee toons require absolutely no skill to play And the survey says: Buff my melee toons! What a fucking surprise. Dumb asses. Melee players should probably be playing Hello Kitty or My Little Pony Online, except for the fact that they already tried, and failed, at those games. Now, DDO is being targeted to the people who are so inept that they can't make the grade in Hello Kitty or My Little Pony Online. I guess everyone deserves the right to be uber at something. If you suck at real life, suck at Hello Kitty Online, and suck at My Little Pony Online, come play a melee toon in DDO. Now *that* should be the center of DDO's new advertising campaign. I realise you're trolling, but I'll take a nibble anyways. I think you're being a bit harsh. If we all played the same builds, the game would be a bit boring. The diversity and choice is what makes this game. I still think well balanced parties make the most fun experience. Yes, you can have your party of 6 monkchers, furyshotters or more recently Bard swashies and ROFLstomp any content, but there are many ways to skin the cat. Prior to U22, we had some really effective Zeus build toons in our guild. They were well built, geared and played effectively and were always welcome in my parties. You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think melees are an easy button either. Most of the melees require limited use activated abilities and good positioning/timing, which does take some toon mgmt skills. Sure, you can melee your way to lvl 7 on a wizard with a dagger - but after that, you need to start knowing your stuff or you get swatted a lot. So I think you're being overly provocative in spanking the melee players. If Turdbine think the majority of their player base play melees (which I do doubt), then it is not entirely illogical for them to focus some development effort on them.

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Ah Pook Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 314159265 Posts: 1439 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2014	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #7 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:30am	Print Post
	I don't think melees are an easy button either... most people who say that haven't played once since at least Wheloon.� ALL the new stuff is melee-unfriendly. Having said that, if you have half a clue what you're doing, the new changes are great.� It's nice to be able to keep up with ranged stuff for once.

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Hiding Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1298 Joined: Feb 5^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #8 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:39am	Print Post
	Ah Pook wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:30am: I don't think melees are an easy button either... most people who say that haven't played once since at least Wheloon.� ALL the new stuff is melee-unfriendly. Having said that, if you have half a clue what you're doing, the new changes are great.� It's nice to be able to keep up with ranged stuff for once. My crappy fighter works a lot better now.


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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #9 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 3:55am	Print Post
	GermanicusMaximus wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 12:23pm: 2) melee toons require absolutely no skill to play Because running backwards and casting spells while jumping up and down like a Kansas city faggot takes so much skill.

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KingLurker Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 205 Location: Eveningstar Joined: Mar 18^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #10 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 7:59am	Print Post
	Skoodge wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 3:55am: Because running backwards and casting spells while jumping up and down like a Kansas city faggot takes so much skill. Hahahahaahahahaahah +1 sir...that really made me laugh


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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #11 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:48am	Print Post
	Melee takes more skill than casters. There is a reason why casters are called easy button.


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WelloveLLamas Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 70 Location: Orien Joined: Jun 24^th, 2014	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #12 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 12:06pm	Print Post
	Saying melee takes no skill is daft. Try walking unprepared into ee on a melee (well before the armor up changes) and get destroyed. I used to love melee alot till i found the joy of Dc casting, but it is no way as easy as he said.


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Hiding Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1298 Joined: Feb 5^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #13 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 12:09pm	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:48am: Melee takes more skill than casters. There is a reason why casters are called easy button. Personally, I think casters are harder to play well as casters. Yes, you can play them as one-button easy sauce (shiradi), but it's tough to use them in such a way to make use of all of their spells - and that's the fun part. Melee are harder to prepare. They take a lot of gear planning and then, despite the changes, there are trade offs between self-reliance and raw dps. I keep choosing dps on mine and it's not quite working. I still haven't figured out how to make an EE solo pure fighter yet. Yet playing melee is probably easier. You just don't have as many abilities - dps is done via weapons. Yes, you can swap them out, but at the end of the day, you have one button to make dps happen (plus cleave/gr.cleave, and other swing weapon buttons). Casters, you press different buttons for each spell you use - and many of them do different things. But the hardest to play, as far as my experience goes, is a pure fleshy artificer. Not only do you have their spells, their weapons, and the rune arm, you have all the little clickies you've save up that make or break your survival. I think anyone can play a high-save wf/bf because of the easy healing. Fleshies take work! And at the end of that day, that's more rewarding (at least, to me).


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Turd_Ferguson Waterworks Kobold Offline It's a funny name. Posts: 174 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2014	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #14 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	They should default all new players to Paladin. It's the easy button class and with the latest ridiculous buffs a monkey could effectively play one.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #15 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	GermanicusMaximus wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 12:23pm: They published the results. It is someplace on the Turbine forums, although the results were distilled down to a single graph. It is both funny and pathetic that the devs are so stupid as to not be able to parse the results. The majority of the player base play melee toons because 1) most players have nothing even vaguely� resembling game skill 2) melee toons require absolutely no skill to play And the survey says: Buff my melee toons! What a fucking surprise. Dumb asses. Melee players should probably be playing Hello Kitty or My Little Pony Online, except for the fact that they already tried, and failed, at those games. Now, DDO is being targeted to the people who are so inept that they can't make the grade in Hello Kitty or My Little Pony Online. I guess everyone deserves the right to be uber at something. If you suck at real life, suck at Hello Kitty Online, and suck at My Little Pony Online, come play a melee toon in DDO. Now *that* should be the center of DDO's new advertising campaign. That is some masterful trolling. Have a sock-puppet post that on the motherboards.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #16 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	LOLz . . . who is Teh_Kensai? https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/451152-Truth-to-be-told


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #17 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:19pm: LOLz . . . who is Teh_Kensai? https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/451152-Truth-to-be-told a big puss apparently.

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #18 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	GermanicusMaximus wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 12:23pm: They published the results. Found the post: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/439018-Player-Character-Balance?p=5301...


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Ah Pook Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 314159265 Posts: 1439 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2014	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #19 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	LOL @ monk. What a bunch of morons. No wonder this game has such balance issues. Everybody crying for monk nerfs never played one.

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #20 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	Hiding wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 12:09pm: Personally, I think casters are harder to play well as casters. Yes, you can play them as one-button easy sauce (shiradi), but it's tough to use them in such a way to make use of all of their spells - and that's the fun part. Melee are harder to prepare. They take a lot of gear planning and then, despite the changes, there are trade offs between self-reliance and raw dps. I keep choosing dps on mine and it's not quite working. I still haven't figured out how to make an EE solo pure fighter yet. Yet playing melee is probably easier. You just don't have as many abilities - dps is done via weapons. Yes, you can swap them out, but at the end of the day, you have one button to make dps happen (plus cleave/gr.cleave, and other swing weapon buttons). Casters, you press different buttons for each spell you use - and many of them do different things. But the hardest to play, as far as my experience goes, is a pure fleshy artificer. Not only do you have their spells, their weapons, and the rune arm, you have all the little clickies you've save up that make or break your survival. I think anyone can play a high-save wf/bf because of the easy healing. Fleshies take work! And at the end of that day, that's more rewarding (at least, to me). I agree, I wouldn't say melee take more skill to play, I think it just takes more memorization. 90% of melee bars are just endless rows and rows of clickies, pots and gear swaps to buff up melee damage some more. I think that's a big problem with how melee works. Instead of a bunch of active skills that work best in certain situations (like casters), melee mostly just have a bunch of passive skills that have essentially random duration. It's like taking a handful of dirt, throwing it on the pavement and then memorizing the pattern.


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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #21 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	Ah Pook wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:42pm: LOL @ monk.� What a bunch of morons.� No wonder this game has such balance issues.� Everybody crying for monk nerfs never played one. Monks include monkchers


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #22 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:56pm	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:47pm: Monks include monkchers That, and the kensai splashes, cheesy thrower builds, etc. Though I'm really curious how cleric got ranked even with fighter.


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Meli Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 397 Joined: Jan 30^th, 2014	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #23 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:56pm: That, and the kensai splashes, cheesy thrower builds, etc.� Though I'm really curious how cleric got ranked even with fighter. Why? Which is better or worse in your opinion?


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What were they thinking? Reply #24 - Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	Meli wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 5:58pm: Why? Which is better or worse in your opinion? Fighter.


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