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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Stick Build, ITR Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	OK, so I need to rebuild an old character. Currently Bladeforged 12 monk/5 rogue/3 FVS (don't ask). Here's what I'm considering (both bladeforged): 15 Paladin/3 Monk/2 Rogue 1 Power Attack 2m THF 3 Cleave 4m Deflect Arrows 6 Adept of Forms 9 IC: Bludgeoning 12 Master of Forms 15 Great Cleave 18 iTHF 21 Overwhelming Critical 24 gTHF 27 ? Pros: t3 Earth Stance + Holy Sword + Zeal Cons: Serious lack of defense; no Ninja Fade, no improved evasion, capped PRR/MRR; AP allocation is muddled Or 15 Paladin/3 Rogue/2 Fighter 1 Adamantine Body 1f Power Attack 3 Cleave 4f THF 6 Great Cleave 9 IC: Bludgeoning 12 iTHF 15 gTHF 18 ? 21 Overwhelming Critical 24 ? 27 ? Pros: Solid defensively, good offense, t5 Sacred Defender is obvious choice Cons: No evasion, no monk stances, why not just use a greatsword? Intermediate: Same as #2, but with Mithral Body instead of Adamantine Body Pros: More PRR/MRR than #1, evasion Cons: No improved evasion, no monk abilities/stances, muddled AP allocation, why not just use a greatsword? I am leaning towards the 2nd build, mainly because PRR/MRR seems stronger than evasion right now, but then, I can't answer the question: Why not just use a greatsword? Alternate proposal: Shelve the character and hope they revamp the monk trees this year.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #1 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:17pm	Print Post
	Build one is a glass. Not a glass cannon, just a glass. Build 2 is much better in the current state of things. I'd be going 18/2 personally and drop the fighter levels. Feynman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:04pm: Why not just use a greatsword? Greatswords would be a better choice for any harmor paladin based 2handed build. The main reason you'd use 1/4 staffs instead is because you already have good ones.
	« Last Edit: Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:20pm by Munkenmo »
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #2 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:18pm	Print Post
	18 palie 2 rogue harmor. Better then both options. Or if you dont want to waste ap on qstrike, 18 palie 1 rogue 1 druid for rams shilly or 18 palie 1 rogue 1 fighter for feat, I played a centerd palie , then after etr swaped to a harmor one. Harmor one was considerably better, more survivable as well. Option you can also do is 16 palie 4 rogue for killer /but super ap intensive and not worth it or 15 palie 1 fighter 4 rogue /again ap but not so good. Best would be still 18/2 with qstrike harmor, kotc lv 18 core vorpal with staff att speed is just wonderful
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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #3 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:18pm: 18 palie 1 rogue 1 druid for rams shilly Neat trick!

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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #4 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm	Print Post
	So, why is 18 Paladin better than 15 Paladin plus 2 feats?

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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #5 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm	Print Post
	Feynman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm: So, why is 18 Paladin better than 15 Paladin plus 2 feats? Check the kotc lv 18 core When we look that content we all farm is necro 4/dwyrm it becomes clear that you kinda want that core. Brings way more power to the build then 2 feats imo. You can drop cleaves as feats and use freebie kotc ones, i mean it offers way more versatility
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #6 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:17pm	Print Post
	Feynman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm: So, why is 18 Paladin better than 15 Paladin plus 2 feats? I would also go 18 pally/2 rogue. It's better because you don't really need the extra feats and because of KotC. The level 18 core adds a sweet vorpal proc and big light damage to every glance, both of which benefit greatly from the increased attack speed from TA. You'll still put points in SD, but probably only up to t4.

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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #7 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:17pm: I would also go 18 pally/2 rogue. It's better because you don't really need the extra feats and because of KotC. The level 18 core adds a sweet vorpal proc and big light damage to every glance, both of which benefit greatly from the increased attack speed from TA. You'll still put points in SD, but probably only up to t4. Ah, I wasn't planning on using much KotC after DM; bladeforged with extra feats make it unnecessary, and t5 SD with harmor gives +6 STR, +6 CON, and +20% HP. That's why the AP allocation is so muddled on evasion builds.

	"Science makes godlike -- it is all over with priests and gods when man becomes scientific. Moral: science is the forbidden as such -- it alone is forbidden. Science is the first sin, the original sin. This alone is morality. ``Thou shalt not know'' -- the rest follows." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #8 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm	Print Post
	Feynman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Ah, I wasn't planning on using much KotC after DM; bladeforged with extra feats make it unnecessary, and t5 SD with harmor gives +6 STR, +6 CON, and +20% HP. That's why the AP allocation is so muddled on evasion builds. Tier 4 gives you 2/3. Much more cost effective IMO.

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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #9 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:48pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm: Tier 4 gives you 2/3. Much more cost effective IMO. But what does t5 KotC give? Great Cleave? When I have feats to spare? And the level 12 KotC core is almost as good, and would let me take t5 SD; more HP and a big chunk of PRR/MRR.

	"Science makes godlike -- it is all over with priests and gods when man becomes scientific. Moral: science is the forbidden as such -- it alone is forbidden. Science is the first sin, the original sin. This alone is morality. ``Thou shalt not know'' -- the rest follows." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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bosuze Waterworks Kobold Offline wat kyk jy Posts: 175 Joined: Jul 7^th, 2014	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #10 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 7:54am	Print Post
	zeus?

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #11 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 9:28am	Print Post
	Feynman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:48pm: But what does t5 KotC give? Great Cleave? When I have feats to spare? And the level 12 KotC core is almost as good, and would let me take t5 SD; more HP and a big chunk of PRR/MRR. considering all your tier 5 is meh. You could go tier 5 harper or bladeforged(although this doesnt lock out other tier 5s you get more than what the rest offer).

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #12 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 9:40am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 9:28am: considering all your tier 5 is meh. You could go tier 5 harper or bladeforged(although this doesnt lock out other tier 5s you get more than what the rest offer). Thinking about it, i mean the core 18 is crucial imo for sweetnes in kotc. But you dont need to pick t5 if you dont want, but as its ap short it is a bit tough to build. Personally i would go for some stance upgrades /mainly dodge cap hp and str and basic prr mrr upgrade, most points into kotc for core and i would prefer human over bf since power of forge is freaking expensive. Rest rogue and maybe smtn in harper. IT isnt hard to figure out what you need, but viewpoint should be " i dont need to get any t5 whatsoever"


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #13 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 9:47am	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 9:40am: Thinking about it, i mean the core 18 is crucial imo for sweetnes in kotc. But you dont need to pick t5 if you dont want, but as its ap short it is a bit tough to build. Personally i would go for some stance upgrades /mainly dodge cap hp and str and basic prr mrr upgrade, most points into kotc for core and i would prefer human over bf since power of forge is freaking expensive. Rest rogue and maybe smtn in harper. IT isnt hard to figure out what you need, but viewpoint should be " i dont need to get any t5 whatsoever" I keep looking over it and a new build idea comes to mind. Holy Sword+Violence Begets Violence. Needs 5 monk. So, 14 pally, 5 monk, 1 rogue?

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #14 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:17am	Print Post
	I honestly think violence begets violence is pretty shit, but definitely not worth giving up Zeal for.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #15 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:19am	Print Post
	In your shoes op, I wouldn't pick any t5, it's amazing how far your ap can go when you realize that t5's sometimes aren't worth the cost.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #16 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:26am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:17am: I honestly think violence begets violence is pretty shit, but definitely not worth giving up Zeal for. I liked Violence on my whirlwind monks and wolves. It triggered off displace. Seems like dodge procs it. I would assume incorporeal does as well. Feels like it triggers all the time 50% displacement, 30% dodge, 25% incorporeal, 5% mob rolls a 1.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #17 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:31am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:26am: I liked Violence on my whirlwind monks and wolves. It triggered off displace. Seems like dodge procs it. I would assume incorporeal does as well. Feels like it triggers all the time 50% displacement, 30% dodge, 25% incorporeal, 5% mob rolls a 1. So for 1 crit threat and multi you would want to lose shadowscale harmor with dr /: Dont know, personally with the fact that shintao doesnt offer much to a stick beside some prr i dont think its better then 18 core from palie and power of harmor +zeal and faster qstrike vs monks that has still a longer cd- You lose more then you gain and waste ap for alot of stuff you dont need, tho the monks vulner debuff might be ok with thforged with fire procs stacked
	« Last Edit: Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:32am by Lelouch »

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #18 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:41am	Print Post
	I can see it being useful on wolves with a 3 crit. But unarmed not so much, you're essentially limited to 2 outside of 19/20. (crude math being done in paint on my tablet) Your numbers are what, a 24.9% chance to get hit each attack. It looks like this means you should be averaging out to about 16-182 and 19-204 I'd prefer to spend those 2 points in No Mercy. Given the premise of the paladin stick build here, I'd rather stick with atleast 15pally levels, or pick up Hasteboost from one fighter level.

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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #19 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:48am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:41am: I can see it being useful on wolves with a 3 crit.� But unarmed not so much, you're essentially limited to 2 outside of 19/20. (crude math being done in paint on my tablet) Your numbers are what, a 24.9% chance to get hit each attack. It looks like this means you should be averaging out to about 16-182 and 19-204 I'd prefer to spend those 2 points in No Mercy. Given the premise of the paladin stick build here, I'd rather stick with atleast 15pally levels, or pick up Hasteboost from one fighter level. Ive tried a 15 palie 4 rogue 1 monk/1 fighter versions. ALso a 15 palie 1 druid 4 rogue. All of them had the exact same issue. To much ap needed, also the cloth versions had way to low defense compared to harmor. I dont know, i just prefer harmor kinda more since you can estimate damage you will recieve and that way spend more time in fight while knowing exactly when to heal. With dodge its different, you never know when it will work or no, and you get hit by far more damage when you are hit. I mean personally, a cloth monkish type will have more dps, but i think im just spoiled lately with harmor to the point that i dont want to go back to the old monk op days heh. /best build for cloth and monk levels is still tree, since you have apsolutely everything, dodge prr, evasion, saves


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taco Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 31 Joined: Jan 11^th, 2015	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #20 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:13pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:48am: ALso a 15 palie 1 druid 4 rogue. 15 paladin/3 bard/2 barb is the way to go, sprint boosts and an extra multiplier on hand axes or light picks.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #21 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:24pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:48am: 15 palie 1 druid You tried that. Pls post build

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #22 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:07am	Print Post
	taco wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:13pm: 15 paladin/3 bard/2 barb Goodluck with that.

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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #23 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:27am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:24pm: You tried that. Pls post build Right lol, aligment. My brain is getting cured from ddo, good progress myself good progress! /posted during a 90 hours no sleep session while watching animes and shows , honestly the thing i posted turned out good considering the state i was in
	« Last Edit: Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:29am by Lelouch »

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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Stick Build, ITR Reply #24 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:06am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:07am: Goodluck with that. Although, that would be the bees knees of overpowered.� Where is the Chaotic Good Paladin, Garath? http://members.tripod.com/lord_eadric/paladins/paladins.html
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