I have been thinking a lot about doing a Ravager/Swashbuckler combo to stack the crit range, but every time I start to make headway, I think, "Oh God, Paladins get the same crit benefit as Tier 5 Ravager + Swashbuckler from a single spell, they don't have to use any AP to get it, and they get to fight in heavy armor."

For example, if using picks, Holy Sword gives a 17-20 x 5 crit range/15-20x5 in Crusader. That's a 16/24 total crit value depending on destiny.

Swash + Ravager gives 15-20 x 4/13-20 x 4 in Crusader for a total crit value of 18/24. In other words, they have the same crit value in Crusader and Ravager/Swash only slightly edges out Holy Sword elsewhere.

Sorry, I have no point except that I hate how that overpowered spell makes so much other stuff that should be good look like shit.

First off, craft some picks. (...or buy brush hooks.)

Then I would probably trade 2-3 bard levels for rogue and rework your AP to pick up killer. If you drop KtA, you can still have 36 in ravager (dropping knockdown immunity), 17 in swash (for full resonant arms + 10% doublestrike), and 26 in assassin for killer, 3d6 SA, 1d8 poison, +3 seeker, +1dex/int (with 1 point left over.)

FM wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:32pm:

Im fine with it. Bard and dodge past life. I will go and get 2 more pally lives an way because 30% hamp is titz.

It isnt all bad. Free CC from knockdown guard and guardbreak that doesnt have to built for or around. Aside fascinate, none of the others need anything other than AP and shield with guardbreaking.

Light pick should be 18-20 with swash stance.
17-20 in DC
13-20 with Imp Crit
11-20 with rage.

on a pally
19-20 with holy sword
18-20 in DC
15-20 Imp Crit

crit rage needs barbarian rage. precision does not work while raged. emp healing is useless.
pick up cleaves!

consider 21 AP in frenzied berserker for decent cores, supreme cleave, and other stuff.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 10:22am:


Fair enough. Should be more fun than a Paladin anyway.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 10:22am:


Light Pick:
19-20: Swash stance
18-20: Crusader
15-20: Improved Crit
13-20: Ravager

This gives it the same overall crit value as the 15-20 Holy Sword in DC because of the +1 multiplier from Holy Sword.

It will get a slight edge in Dreadnought though.

Limpgimp wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

Ah yeah you meant stun blow and not swashbuckler. Im glad sunder works. I love that sound and animation.

crunch wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

Thanks for telling me. Saved bunch of time. I went and dropped emp heal and precision. Picking up PA and Cleave over them. Dropped Epic Feats to only have OC and traded the other 2 in for Shield Mastery and Improved Mastery. Twisting in Haste, Legendary Mastery, and Mom Swing.

crunch wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 10:41am:


Have Supreme on current version. Should be enough along with Cleave to get Mom Swing going.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:


Yeah - should be nice for Resonant Arms, Dragon's Edge, and even Crippling Flames if you can afford TF alts.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:


Surprised you are willing to miss out on the recently added +10 melee power from level 11 Barbarian (Greater Rage).

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:


Ahhh. Totally missed that.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:


It gets x5 on 19-20 only if you take devastating and headsman's. That is 4 extra iterations of damage.

X4 weapons in DC get 6 extra iterations of damage.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:


Did they fix shield mastery? Last I checked, it wasn't giving doublestrike to any combat style.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Yeah, It's x4 on any crit with headman's. X6 on 19-20 with devastating and OC.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

I have a 41 doublestrike right now. Could be 5 more from rager belt, 3 more from gmof twist, and 3 more from black scale set. Seems to be giving dstrikes and prr

FM wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:


Ditto.

Also, when the hell did shield mastery get fixed? As soon as I TR'd out of S&B? IIRC when they took it away from orbs it wasn't working on anything.

FM wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

No, that is me not reading correctly. It does state on 19-20. And I have not tested it.

I don't like the build as much as I thought I would. Going to tr out. Few reasons but mainly comes down to if I am playing something that rages it's going to be full barb in heavy. Ravager does a lot more dps than other swash variants. Has knockdown immunity that can only be acquired from core level 12 Thief Acrobat. Although it trades away all the versatility to use all its spells and heals at anytime. Not worth the trade off for more dps. Zoda's dwarven build is to me still the best swashbuckler.

FM wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:32pm:


Even if they removed the multiplier from holy sword, paladins still win out. There really isn't a reason to play a sawshbuckler over a paladin. The play styles are very similar. I get to use all my spells, scrolls and clickies at all times. My heals too, which are not dependent on trash kills or 20% procs or staying in circle of flames. I will gladly trade dodge, trap skills, and guardbreaking for 180 prr/110 mrr, more hamp and never failing a save. And a higher base damage weapon. And LoH. Every time.