So, I've been out of it since right around when Thunderholm came out.

My main is/was a completionist DC monk based on Q-palm which they nerfed hard.

I actually played the other day. The game is still fun even though only like 375 people were on Khyber when I logged on.. (I checked through Who Panel)


Anyway, can someone give me a summary of the viable builds now?

I've heard Pally got buffed with Holy Sword?
Something about Wolves?

I'm looking for melee of some flavor. I don't need ranged or caster. I also have a Shiradi sorc and a Monkcher (dunno if either of those are still as good as they were when I left..)

pure barb

What do you have/are willing to acquire as far as equipment goes, especially weapons?

Arkat wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

Starkjade wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:



Have wraps mostly. I think I have like celestias too maybe? I could probably get an esos too if I wanted too (just need a base item.. haven't ever completed one because I wasn't sure which char to use. Although, I have the base on another char. Just wasn't sure I wanted to make it on her.)

Starkjade wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:




I thought the bard was a joke. I didn't know.

That's why I asked for summaries of the current viable melee builds. You say, "wolf" for instance. But, I'm not fully sure what that means other than using druid wolf form. Pure druid? What mix? Weapon? Feats? Str build?


Thanks for info about bard though. That's actually interesting.

Meat-Head wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:


That's pretty much all it means;  As much druid as you need for wolf form (two levels minimum, I like nine for winter wolf form and access to the Natural Fighting feats) and basically anything with some synergy. 

You'll want the TWF fighting feats, since off hand attacks are actually full main hand attacks with the way TWF works with animal form.  So basically, your attacks have a % chance to doublestrike based on your off hand attack %, with an additional chance to doublestrike normally.  There is a way to get the single weapon fighting bonuses as well as TWF, but that is on Sev's radar to fix (aka nerf bat to hell) in the near future, so it might not be something you want.

I like PA/cleave/gr.cleave for other feats.  You need IC Bludgeon for your crits, since animal form is coded like unarmed, even though it does slashing damage.

You can throw in just about anything you want after that.  I've been using Munk's Pastlifenmo build to get a lot of past lives, and it works fairly well into epic, and could be very good with more tweaking (and not need nine levels for a past life.)

You can use any weapon you like, since your base damage is always the same, but the enchantments in your main hand weapon are added on, as well as passive enchantments (like +stun, deception, con-opp, etc.) on your off hand. 

The "clunky" attack animation does take some getting used to, and you'll find new stuck spots in the environment that you never thought possible, but it's pretty awesome.

5 Foot's U25 Wolf build, on the first page in this subforum, looks pretty solid, but like I said, you can do just about anything you want.

Starkjade wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:


Ok, well my main is currently 18/2 monk/druid. I usually DO fight in wolf. I originally did it because I had my monk abilities (esp stun and qpalm ) plus you could stack thrower effects using wolf. I have a metric ton of throwers.. but they fixed that as far as I can tell. Although, if there's still a way to do that with throwers or offhand then plz pm meh.

Which of these will be able to solo ees

Is the barb healign that good now?

Meat-Head wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:


All of them, but you'll likely struggle on the rogue unless you have maxed out EPLs.


Meat-Head wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:


Yes. Blood Strength is usually enough on it's own. Consecration goes over the top, but you want to spam it for DPS anyway in DC. CSW pots hitting for 100 hp make topping off easy.

Meat-Head wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 12:15am:


Overall Offense: Barb > Pally
Strength: Barb > Pally
Crit profile: Barb > Pally
Proc Damage: Barb > Pally
Glancing Blows: Pally > Barb


Overall Defense: Pally > Barb
HP: Barb > Pally
Heal Amp: Barb > Pally
Saves: Pally > Barb
PRR/MRR: Pally > Barb
On demand heals: Pally > Barb
Auto heals: Barb > Pally


Quantifying is tricky.

Meat-Head wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

Look at Swashbuckler + One Handed Fighting.

20 Bard does a LOT of damage, has the longest lasting songs, a good capstone, and he's got Evasion.

SWF puts everything else in slow-mo. It created a problem for me when playing any alts that didn't have it (unless shuri). My sense of time changed. I started to wonder if I should get up for a bathroom break between swings.