Hag Master wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:


blah blah blah I don't like facts or interesting discussion. go fuck yourself to

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 7:19pm:


Clearly you don't like facts, or anyone disagreeing with you, but thanks for admitting to it publicly.

It's all quite humorous, as the only one I see avoiding the facts is you, the jonny-come-lately who just want's your precious repeater to be "best". What a clueless fucker, I pointed out the huge advantages the Devs built into GxB and then Ollie (who has no horse in the race) hits you with his post, and what do you have to say? Oh I hit more than that Ollie! I do!  and then you purposefully try to ignore all the Built in like larger weapon type damage 2D8, +7 more damage bonuses, +8 more 200% scaling SA die, +2[w], 19-20 vorpal, 10% knockdown, 20% alacrity, and finally 15-20X4 crit profile, All that? you just try to ignore with "oh it can't make up" you fucking moronic liar.

And how about a little more gravy fuckwit? that +2[w]? well that is 4D8, which would equate to +3.2[w] if it was on a repeater, and also every time a GxB is in pointblank? another .6[w] more than the repeater, and what about combat archery? thats yet another .6[w] more damage for the GxB compared to the repeater. Then of course all those additional damage boosts you are so desperate to ignore? they all get X4 on every crit. 

Never mind the animation for the GxB is faster by design as well, no don't you worry you pretty little head, you go have fun with your 2 SA dice and your repeater, and you go show that Hobgoblin how tough you are.

How someone as poorly informed and willfully ignorant got picked to be on the PC in the first place is amazing. The fact that Turbine was smart enough to drop you and your fact-ignoring, magical-thinking, head-in-the-sand, rules-ignorant ass is even more amazing.

But then again you helped them with it, when you, in the words of your fellow PC members:

"And it hasn't been without excitement. There was that one thing, with that one guy, who apparently went pottymouth looloo, or forgot his meds or something...


So that's about it, I'm not going to waste anymore time on a clueless fucker like you, you waste of skin, until you actually learn how the game works and can mount a sensible case for a point of view other than "I want it to be this way!!! Whaaaaa!", until then? I will ignore you just as I have that troll Fail (he must be a troll, no one can really be that dumb).

I hope that you and Fail will be happy together, I know he is eager to waste as much of your time as possible.

Have fun with those repeaters boys! and remember 3Xshit is still shit.

So, are repeaters or great crossbows better for Rogues?

I'm GXbow sniping for 300 damage at level 7. 

One shot, one kill.

5 Foot Step wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:


Im not even seeing this regularly with my character now.

Would you mind posting your enhancement breakdown and
what kind of g xbow you are using?

Fail wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 12:39am:



Dude! don't you get tired of begging other people to tell you how to play the game? 

I just looked at your last 50 posts, brother you is Gaytarded for sure.

Almost all the posts you have made in the past month have been you asking people how to do simple stuff and then going on insisting they spoon-feed you the info because figuring out is too hard for you 

Are you sure you're not Doggy's left sock? he wants to be spoon fed exploits on that sock and you want to be spoon-fed builds!  You tow make a matched set.

RemRemi wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:04am:


I use my index finger, but don't tell anyone...it's a trade secret. 

Possibly an exploit. 

Hag Master wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:27am:



None. You just hold your breath. The longer you hold your breath, higher the DPS.

One would think that since mech enhancements are nicely suted both for repeaters and Gxbows,
it would be super easy to check by simply swapping them and testing both. Am I wrong in this assumption?

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Oh, you want me to calculate blitz into this as well.. are you fucking retarded? any % increase is going to favor the better weapon (great xbow).

Vendui wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm:


usiing above numbers, fully blitzed gives +70 ranged power. 784*70% = 1332 minimum dmg over the course of 12 shots on a greatbow.  857 min dmg over the course of 4 volleys (12 shots) on a repeater.. Do i really need to show the top end.. yes, yes i do. 8401 top end dmg on gbow, 4590 on a repeater. So we have a range of:

1332-8401 on a Greatbow, using maxed blitz

857-4590 on a repeater using blitz.


I fail to see yet, how your repeater is "Moar Dmg"..

Vendui wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 11:37am:


No. Was more hoping for an oranges to oranges comparison. Have you bruntsmashed a Great Crossbow?

Hag Master wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:27am:

lol killer 

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:


Edit: Text in Red - Dont account for doubleshot. At least not to start. Ill add it below if you desire however

Alright, your getting 80 shots per minute on Gbow, and 54 volleys (54*3=162) shots per minute on a repeater. Lets Math


Assuming both bows are exactly the same, just ones a repeater (heavy) and the others a gbow.. Greensteel blanks work for this.

Full Mechanic tree gives: (Assuming lvl 20 rogue)

Sharpshooter - +7 dmg to Repeaters, +14 to Gbows + 5d6 SA
Sniper - 1d6 SA to repeaters, 2d6 SA + 1W to Gbows
Expert Builder - +1 Crit Multi for repeaters, +2 for Gbows
Hipflask - +1 Repeaters, +2 Gbows + 2d6 SA

Base 10d6 SA from rogue levels




Heavy GS Repeater - 1.50 [1d10] + 5

Adding in the above to repeater equation we get: 1.50[1d10] +13 +11d6SA

Comes to: 15-28 + 11-66 SA

Due to the volley, this comes to 45-84.



Greatbow - 1.50 [2d8] + 5

Once again, add from above: 2.50 [2d8] + 21 + 19d6 SA

Comes to: 26-41 + 19-114 SA




With the numbers youve given on shots per minute:

Repeaters - 162(15-28) = 2430-4536

Gbows - 80(26-41) = 2080-3280

These numbers assume absolutly no crits and no Sneak attacks.



Now lets account for Crits, with the same shots per minute. Gbow has a 18-20, Repeater 19-20 assuming you took the feat we get 15-20(30%) on Gbow, and 17-20(20%) on Repeater.

80*30%= 24 of the 80 shots crit on Gbow

162*20%=32.4 of the 162 shots crit on Repeater

Repeaters new min-max: 3420-6384

Gbows new min-max: 3952-6232


So as you can see, the greatbows low-end dmg now exceeds that of the repeater, even with repeaters doing twice as manyshots. Repeater top end dmg however is currently better, but not by much. Now lets run the numbers for Sneak attacks, without crits.

There are many skills and passives that improve the chance to land sneak attacks, so we will assume they all land as SA.

26-94 dmg on repeaters

45-155 dmg on Gbows

Over the 80 shots on Gbow: 3600-12400

162 Shots on Repeater: 4212-15228


Including Crits + SA, we get:

Gbows: 6840-23560

Repeaters: 5928-21432




So, as you can see.. In the end, Greatbows are still better unless you can negate all Crits and Sneak Attack dmg. This is just Base dmg as well, effects that have on crit will favor the greatbow more, naturally, since it crits more.