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Soul Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1121 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	DDO: Open Source Jul 19^th, 2015 at 7:14pm	Print Post
	What are the chances that this game becomes open source when Turbine stops making money off of it?


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #1 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 7:26pm	Print Post
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #2 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 7:31pm	Print Post
	I reckon zero. WB owns the IP, not sure they have a track record of giving stuff away for free, even though it might be logical from our perspective. I'm not sure open source would solve the woes of DDO though. Who would determine the direction of DDO:OS? Does it cater for raiders or casuals? IMHO, DDO could benefit from community help, but it still need professional mgmt and oversight. If anyone thinks the forums are bad, I can only imagine what the forums for DDO:OS would look like....

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Dinkus McGee Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2 Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #3 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:10am	Print Post
	Open sourcing would be a wonderful idea if they'd allow it. Given just how much is actually in the game, it would likely rival Gmod (or blow it out of the water). Even a partial open sourcing so they could have people submit actual bug fixes for examination & implementation would be amazing. But as was stated, IP is probably going to get in the way, especially with just how many parties are involved. Open sourcing is something that would benefit players & make it more fun, which is something they're not about to consider.


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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #4 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:19am	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 7:31pm: I reckon zero.� WB owns the IP, not sure they have a track record of giving stuff away for free, even though it might be logical from our perspective. I'm not sure open source would solve the woes of DDO though. Who would determine the direction of DDO:OS? Does it cater for raiders or casuals?� IMHO, DDO could benefit from community help, but it still need professional mgmt and oversight. If anyone thinks the forums are bad, I can only imagine what the forums for DDO:OS would look like.... Basically, picture DDO, only written in equal parts by each and every Vaultie. Actually, that could explain a lot...

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Jeff_Stryker Waterworks Kobold Offline Zero Posts: 115 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2014	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #5 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:25am	Print Post
	They may be able to opensource the graphics engine (but who the fuck would want that?) - I doubt very much they'd be able to open up any of the systems - too engrained with licensed IP. The biggest impediment would be the amount of work required to OS the bits of it they could. There's no benefit to anyone.


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Hiding Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1298 Joined: Feb 5^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #6 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:26am	Print Post
	They didn't opensource Asheron's Call, despite handing it over to private servers. Unless I can't read and don't know anything.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #7 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:22am	Print Post
	Hiding wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:26am: They didn't opensource Asheron's Call, despite handing it over to private servers. Unless I can't read and don't know anything. How did that work? Did they release the compiled code for private use, but not the source?

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #8 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:31am	Print Post
	Would not happen. This is extremely rare in the video game industry and almost unheard of in the MMO segment. Most of the open source releases are in the FPS/RTS genres and are from very small companies who saw very little success.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #9 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 11:38am	Print Post
	If they did open source it though, I'll bet there are plenty of programmers out there who will be able to "un-spaghettify" the code and they may even be able to integrate MotU properly. Just imagine what kind of game we could have if the code had its bugs fixed, crafting systems streamlined, and otherwise worked efficiently as it could. Edited: Fixed horribly worded first sentence.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #10 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 11:38am: If they did open source it though, I'll bet there are plenty of programmers out will to "un-spaghettify" the code and they may even be able to integrate MotU properly. Just imagine what kind of game we could have if the code had its bugs fixed, crafting systems streamlined, and otherwise worked efficiently as it could. Chances are no one would go any further than "fixing" the loot tables. Cannith Crystal on Norm is guaranteed drop unbound +7 tomes! Maybe they would take enough time to bring back the bag bug and duping.


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Hiding Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1298 Joined: Feb 5^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #11 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:22am: How did that work? Did they release the compiled code for private use, but not the source? Me no noffing. Here's the news article I got it from: http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/09/massively-exclusive-turbine-on-the-future-of-... "Even so, that's what seems to have happened for Asheron's Call, which is preparing to not only transition into a maintenance mode phase but drop subscription fees and allow for player-run servers by the end of the year." Please note: "but drop subscription fees and allow for player-run servers by the end of the year."


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Hiding Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1298 Joined: Feb 5^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #12 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	Found an important paragraph that pertains to this question: "Let's talk about the decision to empower players to run their own servers. Why did Turbine decide to do this, and what will it entail? Will players be given the source code to modify? How much control will Turbine retain over such servers? This goes back to our desire to find a better way to handle supporting a game that has reached AC's stage of development. It's a very exciting project, and we look forward to working with the community to make it happen. We will not be releasing any source code. We will work to enable players to run their own server and create live events. If this goes well, we hope to release the tools that will allow players to modify their server's game data and perhaps add their own dungeons or landscape areas. This is a community-focused initiative, and we're going to do our best to give players what they want."


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9962 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #13 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:53pm	Print Post
	Is it that Time of the Year again ? why do people have to keep asking that fucking question again and again and again when the answer is obvious? Facts : - D&D is an IP owned by Hasbro through WoTC. - DDO is a D&D Licensed product. - WB is the owner of the DDO IP. No way two huge multinationals are going to give away something they own. They are in for the money and as long as the money flows DDO will live. Once the quarterly incomes gets lower than the quarterly expenses you can expect DDO to go the way of the Dodo.

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #14 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	Strakeln wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:19am: Basically, picture DDO, only written in equal parts by each and every Vaultie. Imagine, a HagMaster-penned quest where an NPC just berates you for 35 minutes.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:22pm: Imagine, a HagMaster-penned quest where an NPC just berates you for 35 minutes. The only one who'd play it for that long would be Notharharhar.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #16 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:24pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:22pm: Imagine, a HagMaster-penned quest where an NPC just berates you for 35 minutes. 10/10 would play again

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #17 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:35pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm: The only one who'd play it for that long would be Notharharhar.�
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #18 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm: The only one who'd play it for that long would be Notharharhar.� Pretty sure Thaz would put it on her daily rounds. That love-hate relationship is a pretty powerful compulsion.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #19 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 11:57pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 10:34pm: Pretty sure Thaz would put it on her daily rounds. That love-hate relationship is a pretty powerful compulsion. Point taken.

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Sim-Sala-Bim Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Wha...? Posts: 5356 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #20 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:21am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:31am: Would not happen. I also don't think it will happen.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #21 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 2:04am	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 11:38am: Just imagine what kind of game we could have if the code had its bugs fixed, crafting systems streamlined, and otherwise worked efficiently as it could. What do you think drives people to quit? You can't play DDO and imagine what it'd be like if it worked. It's mutually exclusive.

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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #22 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 2:04am: What do you think drives people to quit? e. life.� better games.� an 18-year-old neighbor who likes to dance in underwear in her window at the same time I would normally play DDO.
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	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #23 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:21pm	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm: an 18-year-old neighbor who likes to dance in underwear in her window at the same time I would normally play DDO. Not all of us live in the red light district. Speaking of which, that 18-year-old just stole another one of your customers while you were browsing. Put the phone down and dance, bitch!

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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: DDO: Open Source Reply #24 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:21pm: Put the phone down and dance, bitch!

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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