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Re: U28 on Thursday.
Reply #25 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 1:08pm
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Asheras, I think you're a good guy and Turbine should be grateful for your optimism.  I also think you are unduly generous in giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Asheras wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 11:17am:
Hard to say.  They seem to be completely deaf to some feedback and at other times, with exceptional persistence, they will respond, at least in part.


It's not "listening" on their part if it requires exceptional persistence on our part, and if the response is patronizing or clearly indicates butt-hurt, as do Varg's words regarding the 11th hour changes that "just barely didn't make it in time to be included in this update". 

I teach the 4 year olds that "Listen" is a very important word and has several parts that must not be skipped:
1)  First, you must hear ALL of what's being said. 
     If you didn't hear all of it, you weren't listening.
2)  Then, you must THINK about what was said and try to UNDERSTAND it.
     It's ok to ask for help if what you heard isn't clear or doesn't make sense.
     If you don't understand what was being said, you weren't listening.
3)  After you've heard what was said and understand it, then you should ACT on it. 
     If you don't do anything with or learn from what was being said, you weren't listening.

Effective listening is interactive.  Turbine does not listen.

Listening to customers is not impossible and need not be painful, but they'll never be successful at it until they learn some humility and let go of the bullshit "we're the experts (that can't be bothered know how Raise Dead works)" attitude.

  

Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 10:43pm:
they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan.
Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 1:11pm:
Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things.
eighnuss wrote on May 27th, 2014 at 12:52pm:
everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game
majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 12:12am:
I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy.
Skoodge wrote on Nov 27th, 2014 at 6:54am:
DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass.
GooFY wrote on Mar 2nd, 2015 at 5:36pm:
Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence.  
Meursault wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up.
Meursault wrote on Nov 12th, 2015 at 2:50pm:
Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close.
palmer01 wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:05am:
Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy.
PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 1:24am:
The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.

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Re: U28 on Thursday.
Reply #26 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 2:27pm
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OldCoaly wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
I teach the 4 year olds that "Listen" is a very important word and has several parts that must not be skipped:
1)  First, you must hear ALL of what's being said. 
     If you didn't hear all of it, you weren't listening.
2)  Then, you must THINK about what was said and try to UNDERSTAND it.
     It's ok to ask for help if what you heard isn't clear or doesn't make sense.
     If you don't understand what was being said, you weren't listening.
3)  After you've heard what was said and understand it, then you should ACT on it. 
     If you don't do anything with or learn from what was being said, you weren't listening.

I need to email this to about fifty people at work.
  
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Re: U28 on Thursday.
Reply #27 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 4:59pm
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OldCoaly wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
It's not "listening" on their part if it requires exceptional persistence on our part, and if the response is patronizing or clearly indicates butt-hurt, as do Varg's words regarding the 11th hour changes that "just barely didn't make it in time to be included in this update".

I teach the 4 year olds that "Listen" is a very important word and has several parts that must not be skipped:
1)  First, you must hear ALL of what's being said.
     If you didn't hear all of it, you weren't listening.
2)  Then, you must THINK about what was said and try to UNDERSTAND it.
     It's ok to ask for help if what you heard isn't clear or doesn't make sense.
     If you don't understand what was being said, you weren't listening.
3)  After you've heard what was said and understand it, then you should ACT on it.
     If you don't do anything with or learn from what was being said, you weren't listening.

Effective listening is interactive.  Turbine does not listen.

Listening to customers is not impossible and need not be painful, but they'll never be successful at it until they learn some humility and let go of the bullshit "we're the experts (that can't be bothered know how Raise Dead works)" attitude.

That's awesome, well said!
  

Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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