string table error, tableDID wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 9:34am:


To take DWS capstone you are going to end using a lot of AP in useless stuff in DWS tree, those AP would be of better use (dps) in Tempest tree, I am not sure 10 extra MP and 3 SA dice is worth all the wasted AP to unlock DWS capstone on a tempest.

EDIT: You can use some of those in Harper tree too, to unlock KTA and some MP

Yeah, go Tempest T5 and capstone, 25 points in DWS for killer and survivalist 3, then the rest is gravy. The only time I'd go DWS capstone is if I were primarily bow-focused.

ILoveExploits wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 11:15am:


It won't make much difference in heroic, but into epics, that extra damage really adds up.

ILoveExploits wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 11:15am:


One of the advantages of the pure ranger is that you really only need two stats to do TWF, so a human 36 point build can go 8,18,18,12,8,8 or 18,8,18,12,8,8 and with completionist, ships, tome and basic gear and augments can get that 12 up to a 34-38 with minimal effort.  That's a +6 or +7 to damage, (along with a weapon enhancement +1 and some HP) isn't a bad investment for 8 AP. 

Vaniir wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 2:52pm:


Pretty decent setup without any raid loot.  I'd recommend swapping in a Mysterious Cloak for the Cloak of Night.  I don't see any Heal Amp items in there and I always try to get some Hamp in on any melee build.  I didn't see you list gloves, though, so maybe you have some Mitts on for some Hamp. 

You could be really beastly if you got a Sightless, Memoriam or Litany, Battleragers Harness, a Circle of Malevolence, and a Strange tidings. 

Starkjade wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:05pm:


Yeah, good luck with that.

Asheras wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:04pm:


Oh yeah I have the Iron Mitts for 60 Hamp for a total of 110 hamp.

I forgot to mention saves which are 62 fort, 57 ref, and 48 will.

Starkjade wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:05pm:


Or ask around and find someone willing to sell you one via BtCoE gear.
Will require AS though 

Vaniir wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 2:52pm:


http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Token_of_the_Proven_(level_28)
http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Belt_of_Thoughtful_Rememberance

you do not need charisma item, change that ring out too

2 open ring slots;
http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Seal_of_House_Avithoul

depending on what your Int stat is with an 11 item, exceptional augment,  and 2 insightful augment. You may want KtA and an epic beholder ring.  Slot the heal skill augment elsewhere.

Get epic emerald guard hvy arm. and a 2 armor mastery augment to take advantage of the higher max dex bonus and dodge item. Should be at ~9 dodge IIRC. You only lose 10 inherent elemental resistances and 2 to saves for 50 extra fort and some dodge. Slotting draconic augment covers for the 30 to all.

you don't really lose any stats this way to hp because the old ins con 4 will be replaced by insight 3 on armor and 2 from upgrading from 9 to 11 con item. You do lose 2 insightful dex. but you gain much more in seeker, lsr displace, sheltering, dodge, imp deception, sneak attack bonus and 200 fort.

every thing non-raid drop.

SayWhatAgain wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 1:48am:


Woops.

...

Yeah, totally go Tempest.

Yeah. I also forgot to adjust the DWS damage by 2.5 since it applies to mainhand/offhand/doublestrike. It turns out DWS is always better.

Edited the math.

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 12:06am:


The "possibly more/situations" is what gets me. Can't.....get....past....that....line.

Sorry

SayWhatAgain wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19am:


Pretty much that, I knew ther was something wrong with 5Foot maths (ther could not be such a diference for only 10 MP) but coudn't find it myself ty 
SayWhatAgain wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19am:


That's key cuz you are giving up a lot of dps.

Most easy way to make some maths easy to understand (for me) is calculating a sequence of 20 atacks.

Going to use tempest who does 100 base damage, has 100 MP, 50% DS and 100% offhand porc as example (I will keep crits and procs apart since it wont change resutls much and to make it as simple as possible)

Over a sequence of 20 atacks such tempest woud hit 30 times with main hand and 20 with off hand.

Lets start with tempest:

30 hits main hand --> 30 hits x (100 base damage x 2.1 110 MP) --> 30 hits x 210 = 6300

25 hits off hand--> 25 hits x 210 (base damage + 110 MP) = 5250
(5 extra hits from tempest capstone)

TOTAL = 6300 + 5250 = 11550

Deepwood :

30 hits main hand --> 30 hits x (100 base damage x 2.2 120 MP) --> 30 hits x 220 = 6600
(10 extra MP from DWS capstone)

20 hits off hand--> 20 hits x 220 (base damage + 120 MP) = 4400
(10 extra MP from DWS capstone)

SA from DWS 3d6 --> 10.5 dmg on average x hit (it scales with 150% MP)
DWS MP is 120, 150% of 120 = 180, so MP for SA on the example DWS would be 180.

10.5 SA x 2.8 ( 180 MP for SA calculation) = 29.4 SA x hit
50 hits over 20 atacks ( 30 main hand 20 offhand) --> 50 x 29.4 = 1470 SA (over 20 atacks/50 hits)

TOTAL = 6600 + 4400 + ( 1470 SA ) = 11000 + 1470 SA

So to recap Tempest have sightly better base damage output but overall damage is sightly higer on DWS due to SA, that said I dont think 1470 SA damage over 20 atacks is worth the dps lost in AP wasted to get DWS capstone, also i think if we take into account procs and crits it probably make the base damage diference higer in favor of tempest.