I must be playing a different game, because I haven't found warlock to be high DPS.  Sure DC warlocks are really strong at the moment, but they lag behind wizard shiradi spammers as far as I'm concerned. 

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/474157-My-warlock-life/

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This reminds me of a few years ago on the forums,  "omg,  shiradi mm builds are the highest dps in the game".  No dumbass,  they're mediocre dps but efficient on sp,  allowing you to solo easily.  I swear that most of the people on the mobo's have about 6 int in real life and chew on the keyboard rather than playing most the time.

Knight Solaire wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:


Who cares?  Heroics are so easy it doesn't matter.

Grand wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:


Yep.

Knight Solaire wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

Yes heroics, the area of the game where you can roll up a 6 con 8 str max int and cha barbarian if you wanted and still dominate elites.  Acting like heroic is in anyway shape or form relevant to today's game and balance is one of the dumbest god damn things.

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Well, for most people, no. But I still have friends that I introduce to this game occasionally, and the last time we played someone got really bored with Warlock and quit the game for the exact reasons posted in the MoBo OP. All those spells and no real reason to cast them because the gameplay came down to "Serious Sam" with auto targeting.

Everyone should roll up juggernauts again.

i still dont get why OP there is complaining - there are so many different ways to get Wlock past life via muticlassing which dont suck. that he wants to do it the boring way is his problém not warlock one.

AtomicMew wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:36pm:


I'm not referring to any "feature", no. There are still some bugs with aura, but they don't make much of a difference if you're playing a pure warlock.

As far as any casters being able to wipe out mobs fairly quickly goes, I'd like to repost something that I said several days ago in a different thread:

Pseudonym wrote on Mar 31^st, 2016 at 6:04pm:


Warlock is significantly better than any other caster for several simple reasons including
- trash killing that's both more sustainable and more powerful
- better damage mitigation and overall survivability
- better boss dps

I'm not sure where you got the idea that wizard does better boss dps than warlock. Warlock ruins are more powerful than wizard ruins, and their other damage-dealing options are more sustainable and deal more damage than anything a wizard is casting while his ruins are on timer.

I've said this more than once, but I'll say it again: DC casting is currently a pretty bad playstyle. Nobody should be playing DC warlocks.

Digimonk wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:


They aren't.


Digimonk wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:


Most of the random people you'll group with are somewhere on the bad-mediocre scale. Warlock is incredibly straightforward and easy to play, but plenty of people are determined enough to suck that it won't stop them.

AtomicMew wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 12:45am:


I was under the impression that you were talking about playing a DC wizard not a shiradi split. If you were to play a 12wiz/5fvs/3wlk, you could get a maximum of 14% additional ruin crit chance from the AM and AoV trees (15 if you take emt) and higher force spellpower* than a warlock would have.

The part where you're wrong is the crit damage. As a wizard splashing warlock you have a theoretical maximum sustainable critical damage increase of 70%, 60 from MoK and 10 from TS. In addition to that, you have a non sustainable boost to crit chance and crit damage for one round of ruins once every 1.5 minutes.

Realistically, though, you won't start most boss fights with 30 stacks of MoK. Depending on what content you're running and whether or not you like going invisible and/or running past stuff, you're probably going to have anywhere between 0 and 20-something stacks when you actually start fighting the red/purple name.

A properly built warlock has a 60% bonus to crit damage (which is equal to the amount the MoK will give if fully stacked which, again, isn't realistic in most quests at the start of the encounter especially if you aren't intentionally spending time doing it)  without wasting time casting bad metamagics and worrying about stacks. It's also important to remember that warlock does a lot more damage during the 11 seconds between ruin casts.

Just rewards is fine when you're spamming magic missiles but it won't make a dent when you're casting meta'd ruins, and if you're talking about killing trash I can't imagine that you would actually believe that any type of wizard will kill packs of mobs faster or more sustainably than a warlock.

Here's a screenshot from the last time I ran a "raid, where trash mobs have ~30K HP on LH", which was a couple of weeks before U30. The group contained mostly ranged characters (shuriken builds, mechanics, DC casters). I am not a DC caster. I am not a ranged character. I did okay anyways.



*Edit - as far as the spellpower goes, you get a maximum of 90 spellpower from MoK fully stacked (which, like I already said, it generally won't be at the start), 30 from scourge, and about 30 more from AM and AoV than warlock gets from ES (~78 to 42 if you spend 74 in AM/AoV and 6 in TS). Warlock has intensify, which makes the spellpower approximately 198 to 117 or a difference of 81 when your buffs are fully stacked. Again, it's important to remember that your math was based on MoK always being fully stacked. Basically, if you don't just run to the boss you fall behind because warlock kills packs of mobs much faster, if you do skip trash and run to the boss you fall behind because your math is based on MoK and it takes a long ass time to get it stacked.

You'd be better off playing a 12wlk/wiz/fvs but even then pure warlock is better overall.

Aura locks might be the best trash killers this game as ever seen and it doesn't take much work to make them so.  I really don't think Shiradi Wizard's compare in that department.  Wizard ruins (and greater ruins) might be the best boss F.U. in the game (2nd place to Fury Shots).

Nice of you to color out your name and no one else's.