5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 20^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

all lama builds used avithoul seal+dragon masque. times were slower without one when I tried the melee tests.

theyre not immune to bluffs.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 20^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 20^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

isn't that 2 procs?

harharharhar wrote on Aug 20^th, 2016 at 11:32pm:

Possibly. But the wolf for top dps is 10dr/6rgr/4mnk, and not the common fighter splashed version everyone is running with. Based off lama toon testing : no other melee build is even close to it. Not even close. I mean, 44 seconds, for a lama toon, meleeing in LD is absurdly stupid.

While I dont really think fully optimized wolf is capable of doing low twenties. I cant ever know unless I get someone with max dps lives and top gear set to go in there and test. If lama comes up again in the next 2-3 months I will do the stupid thing of getting 3 rogue, 3 monk, 3 martial, 3 primal, 3 arcane, and carpal tunnel. Using a copy from live with lgs augments to make a vac ss/kama. A 15/7 str item, and I think that is it for the wolf build? Not really missing much gear for that overall.

However, I cant get the gear for the thrower because I would need toee set, first of all. Then add 3 ranger lives and 3 doubleshot primal lives to that already extensive list of past lives posted above. Someone could, with max lives, toee set and already made lgs augments, copy their toon over and make a quick lgs vac longbow in the dojo. Would also need to bring a 15/7 int item, a 15/7 wis item, and a 15/7 dex item.

Another thing, the 14/6 cannot get to 60 doubleshot as in the character sheet I posted. With doubleshot lives the 12/6/2 gets to 69. What is the highest dubshot item? 12? That would put it at 73 max dubshot.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 20^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:


My understanding from back-in-the-day testing is that Improved Deception from the ring would overwrite the regular Deception from the Masque. So you could get either regular or improved to all attacks from an accessory and then also have one or the other on the actual weapons.

Though there is the new Deception with the built in damage bonus and that may stack differently.

Lelouch wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

Only assassins and mechs could fit in double matching deception types into gear set currently. Divine Artillery + Strange Tidings/Dragon Masque for mech. Agony/Kiss + Backstabber's/Guile for assassin. Not feasible on a thrower.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 6:24pm:

Probably still better gear set using toee set and Masque. Would have to test times not using bursts to see if Guile's improved deception would be better than Masque's deception + 2d6 neg dmg per shuri. I wouldn't give up Gages with their 2d6 light per shuri for Backstabber's Improved Deception. 

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 6:24pm:

Yeah. Feasible on Assassin only. What else will give up a weapon slot for an ID weapon.

harharharhar wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Deception would still come in the form of either neck slot for Guile or Helm slot for Masque. At 5% though for the Helm slot only. A really good rng glove (say tendon slice + devotion+ insightful stat) could replace the Gages. I don't think the Backstabber's would be better than Masque + Gages. If you're saying 10% deception is that much better than just Masque then Improved Deception could come on either Neck or Ring slots.


The best helm is probably going to be, for the foreseeable future, the Dragon Masque.
Best necklace? Guile
Best rings? Ring of Prowess (always) and Avithoul seal?

Guess depending on what rng rings and necklaces you have then will allow you to slot Improved Deception on the weakest one.

A slight benefit of the Drow Seal is one less accessory to worry about if trying to fit in LGS sets.
 

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 1:15am:


Also I was meaning to ask where does the /2 fighter get more doubleshot? More Monk in 14m/6Ranger levels means more doubleshot during 10k.

harharharhar wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 11:20pm:

definitely

harharharhar wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 11:25pm:

feature 

Digimonk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 11:46pm:


That seems pretty good.

Good RNG loot would allow for a more optimized set up. Even going far as using another LGS for 15/7 wis to swap every 30 seconds before 10k activation. Then can replace the cloak for Hamp Mysterious Clk, or Freezing Ice cloak for more cc options, or another RNG cloak. Since 15/7 wisdom is higher than the 12/4/4 set up in your gear set, you will not be losing anything for 10k. And gaining a new cloak.  Also it replaces your goggle slot as well making sure you can fit in seeker there through RNG or Mentau's.

a 15/7 dex glove would also let you swap out Backstabber's and Strange Tidings for Avithoul. Gaining more Dex. You would then need a insightful con item in either your necklace or bracers as you will be getting more dex from a 15/7 item than 12/4/4. That now frees up both neck and bracers slot. Say 15/7 con necklace and then only have to worry about the bracers.  Which could be Sheltering/insightful sheltering and now that frees up your helm for more dps in Masque, or 15/7 int for KtA. The quiver will cover the ranged power from Sightless gone.   

Sheltering/Inishgtful Sheltering can also come up on the helm, in which case you may want Int/ins int on your cloak instead.

Wait. there's more. The boots are only giving 2 dodge and fom. Can swap fom on as required and seeker/ins seeker boots. This would be better for fitting in a non-rng cloak like, Mysterious or Ice and keeping int/ins int on your Goggles.

proposed set up :
Goggle - 15/7 int
Helmet - Masque
Necklace - 15/7 con
Trinket - eLitany
Armor - ToEE robe
Cloak - Mysterious or Ice
Wrists - Sheltering/Insightful Sheltering
Belt - Legendary Animated Rope
Ring1 - Avithoul
Boots - Seeker /Insightful Seeker
Gloves - 15/7 dex
Ring 2 - Prowess
Quiver - Dynamistic

If you wanted to keep Ghostly :
Goggle - Mentau's
Helmet - Masque
Necklace - 15/7 con
Trinket - eLitany
Armor - ToEE robe
Cloak - 15/7 Int
Wrists - Sheltering/Insightful Sheltering
Belt - Legendary Animated Rope
Ring1 - Avithoul
Boots - Legendary Knife Toed Boots - now even have armor piercing when vacuuming and Manyshot-ing.
Gloves - 15/7 dex
Ring 2 - Prowess
Quiver - Dynamistic


The ghostly set up is 16 seeker, ghostly, and Armor Piercing.

The non-Ghostly is more seeker ( depending on rng values), and Hamp or Ice cloak. I think the ghostly set up is better though.

harharharhar wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 12:57am:

max dex would now require the magewright bracers.

Goggle - Mentau's
Helmet - Sheltering/Insightful Sheltering.
Necklace - 15/7 con
Trinket - eLitany
Armor - ToEE robe
Cloak - 15/7 Int
Wrists - Magewright quality dex 4.
Belt - Legendary Animated Rope
Ring1 - Avithoul
Boots - Legendary Knife Toed Boots - now even have armor piercing when vacuuming and Manyshot-ing.
Gloves - 15/7 dex
Ring 2 - Prowess
Quiver - Dynamistic

If more fort is needed then Devil Commander boots, but you give up armor pierce and 4 seeker. Gain quality Prr.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 1:02am:

How good are the items individually for the 5-piece +2 artifact set?

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 1:07am:

Damn. even more of a rabbit hole. Missing dodge, insightful sheltering, insightful seeker, and stats. But that isn't major because 17/4 can replace 15/7. And high values can make up for Insightful Sheltering and Seeker

Max insightful Dex and Con would still need to be CCrafted. Can also potentially drop Prowess ring, but that is throwing away 7 ranged power and having only the quiver to cover for part of it.

Now the issue to me is what 5 set to wear? LGS Ender, or Slave Lord's Might?

LGS would be Ender, 5.5 Incorp, 18% hp

vs.

Slave Lord's Might +2 Artifact bonus to Dexterity, +4 Artifact bonus to Ranged Power, and+4 Artifact bonus to Deadly. Slave Lord's would let more stats come in through 17/4 sets. LGS would need some complex gear set up that I won't bother with for right now.