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zoriaan Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 105 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2016	Warlock balancing :) Sep 7^th, 2016 at 10:20am	Print Post
	Oh boy, the forum paladins have cried, and the devs have listened... https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/478417-Warlock-Balancing Post #10...warlock re-balancing due after u32


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #1 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 10:43am	Print Post
	What is this? The 3rd balance pass on Warlock? Lol. Should be interesting to see what they come up with.


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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #2 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 10:44am	Print Post
	This will be, what? The fourth "Relatively small, targeted balance adjustments to Warlock" since they decided they had sold enough of them? They should concentrate on finishing the class passes. They should actually manage to get the unarmed fixes coded. They have delayed and pushed back so much previously announced work because they keep getting distracted by useless crap like this instead. A person might be excused for concluding that they simply can't actually do certain things due to their incompetence, and so they have to keep looking for other things to fill their time.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #3 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 11:00am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 10:43am: What is this? The 3rd balance pass on Warlock? Lol. Should be interesting to see what they come up with. might as well drop the price too. Fucken retards...


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #4 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 11:27am	Print Post
	Quote: Some interesting opinions there! Let's break that down: Wolf/Tree build fixes are coming. The timing has less to do with the severity or priority and more to do with the complexity. Yes, there is time to fix Warlock before broken Druid abilities. It takes less time to repair a crack than rebuild an entire wall. Planned Warlock changes are based primarily on data collection and testing. Warlocks aren't the most powerful damage-dealers in the game right now, but neither are Paladins or Barbarians. For that matter, we really haven't been hearing that "Melee players are upset that their OP Paladins and Barbarians aren't miles ahead of all the Casters anymore" at all. Even if we had, it would not be the sole deciding factor. Endgame is not the only measure that counts. The fact that some changes are necessary is not diminished by the fact that other necessary changes have not happened yet. Anyway! Hope everyone is having a fine morning. Looks like they are hitting all the sweet spots. Wolf and Tree build changes coming too.


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Spoon Stormreaver Piker Offline Fuck yeah Drama! Posts: 504 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2016	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #5 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 11:51am	Print Post
	Quote: Yes, there is time to fix Warlock before broken Druid abilities. It takes less time to repair a crack than rebuild an entire wall.� Translation: we lack the talent, money, time to fix everything, so we're fixing the small things that we do understand and can fix while we ride things out to the end. In other words, treating a 10 year old game like a lot of people treat a 10 year old car's maintenance. Not surprising if you've paid attention to Turbine's priorities and approaches. By the way, I use the word "fix" because that was his word, not because I personally describe it as a fix. Though it does reveal a mindset. When presented with a figurative flood in the valley, you fix it by putting your finger in a dike even when there are other dams that crumbled years ago.

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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #6 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	Steelshit said: Quote: Wolf/Tree build fixes are coming. � � The timing has less to do with the severity or priority and more to do with the complexity. � � Yes, there is time to fix Warlock before broken Druid abilities. It takes less time to repair a crack than rebuild an entire wall. Exactly what I figured he'd say. "Doing hard stuff is so very hard, we need to distract ourselves with some easy stuff to make it look like we're just so busy that the delays in doing the hard stuff might appear justified." Tweaking a number in already coded Warlock routines is trivial. Unfucking hand wraps, well that would take some talent. And they've already admitted that they just don't have that kind of talent, which is why they decided to make handwraps into weapons instead of fixing all the places where handwraps are just broken because for years they have failed to code things correctly for them. What a pack�of loser developers Turbine has on their payroll. And Lynnabell actually called these incompetents "Rock stars."� The Ted Nugents of coding, maybe.
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	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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LagMonsterrrrrr Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 263 Joined: May 28^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #7 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 12:29pm	Print Post
	The butthurt is strong in this one.


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Jelly_Muffin Stormreaver Piker Offline Just say fuckoff! Posts: 660 Location: Not in the cool kids club Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #8 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 12:43pm	Print Post
	Fucking sad that real issues raised by many are not even commented on but a stupid butthurt opinion by the forum cock gobblers is pounced on and fixed ........


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DDOcrackhead Stormreaver Piker Offline Worlds: Khyber, Wayfinder Posts: 523 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #9 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	Fucking retards. I don't really give a shit about mild nerfs for this OP class, but don't they have better things to do? It's like concerning themselves with the chrono speed bug. There's so much broken, so much unbalanced, half-finished shit in this game, and they are tinkering with stuff that should not really be a priority. fucking asshats, I hope the next half of those losers get the boot soon, the local wendy's franchise needs motivated employees.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #10 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	My favorite is all the "Well if you nerf X then you better nerf Y next" posts.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #11 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 1:53pm	Print Post
	mwuahahah love the forum tears.... and they even roped in a dev to respond. this is better than playing the game right now

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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LagMonsterrrrrr Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 263 Joined: May 28^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #12 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	yup xD


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Jelly_Muffin Stormreaver Piker Offline Just say fuckoff! Posts: 660 Location: Not in the cool kids club Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #13 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	Quote: Go Steelstar! Nuke hard! So glad that we have woken the dragon. But don't stop there, we need some adjustment of PRR and to rebalance ranged combat. jesus wept into his tissues ...... you can almost smell the boners these cunts have atm
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RemRemi Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #14 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 2:48pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 11:27am: Wolf and Tree build changes coming too.�


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #15 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	Jelly_Muffin wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: jesus wept into his tissues ...... you can almost smell the boners these cunts have atm omg.. that poor kid would wear a steelstar jersey while waiting in line to get it autographed. except he's not a kid....

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #16 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 4:01pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 2:59pm: omg.. that poor kid would wear a steelstar jersey while waiting in line to get it autographed. except he's not a kid.... Wonder how long it will take them to realize that the winner's circle in the "Get all the good builds nerfed!" contest is a lonely, empty game devoid of power gamers who currently carry people like him through the difficult content?
	« Last Edit: Sep 7^th, 2016 at 4:01pm by Digimonk »

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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #17 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	Jelly_Muffin wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 12:43pm: Fucking sad that real issues raised by many are not even commented on but a stupid butthurt opinion by the forum cock gobblers is pounced on and fixed ........ DDOcrackhead wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 12:57pm: Fucking retards. I don't really give a shit about mild nerfs for this OP class, but don't they have better things to do? It's like concerning themselves with the chrono speed bug. There's so much broken, so much unbalanced, half-finished shit in this game, and they are tinkering with stuff that should not really be a priority. You both just don't get it.� They have to pounce on insignificant things to do, because all that half finished and broken stuff you mentioned is just light years beyond their abilities to complete or correct.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #18 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 4:01pm: Wonder how long it will take them to realize that the winner's circle in the "Get all the good builds nerfed!" contest is a lonely, empty game devoid of power gamers who currently carry people like him through the difficult content? Yeah, cause without that 1% of the game population that is power gamers it would be very lonely and empty. Lol.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #19 - Sep 7^th, 2016 at 10:29pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 9:06pm: Yeah, cause without that 1% of the game population that is power gamers it would be very lonely and empty.� Lol.� Normally, you'd be right. That's if the game had a reasonably healthy population. After the fiasco with the datacenter move lag though, it has been getting harder and harder to fill raids with enough quality players to shortman EE raids. I kid you not, we had a pure wizard running in LD destiny with 700ish HP join our LFMs for EE raids last night and then complained because he died a lot. A few extra hardcore players missing from each night's LFMs will be noticeable and possibly the difference between the raids being run on hard/elite instead of gimping it through on normal for the completion. Once it drops below being able to consistently run raids on EH/EE, more hardcore gamers will get bored and leave. When that happens, the sheep will be standing around bitching about the lack of epic LFMs and demanding that the devs do something to fix it.


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m4lacka Horoluth Raider Offline Coitus ergo sum. Posts: 2494 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #20 - Sep 8^th, 2016 at 4:56am	Print Post
	Shining through be gone.

	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm: The most broken epic PL in the game is the ridiculous AC buff from martial PLs. But when you include all the inherent benefits from reincarnation, the thing is above the roof. The benefit from TR was supposed to be minimal, but now it is game breaking. start a new character and you will feel, you will get raped in heroics. Personally I think lower heroics on new characters are harder than Legendary Elite content on a character with good gear and has all destinies farmed. Arkat wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:14pm: And someone in another thread called ME delusional recently! Wow. Have you EVER gone to Law School Feyn? Have you EVER been asked by a United States Senator who is now the Vice President of the United States to write a paper just for him on a particular topic of Constitutional Law for his use as a Senator? Have you ever been asked to help a very notable Harvard PhD turned Constitutional scholar with his very-well received book on Legal Philosophy and Constitutional Revolutions? Have you ever been offered a job as a Deputy Attorney General BEFORE you even graduated Law School? No? Then STFU you fucking amateur. Meat-Head wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 12:03am: Thx. I was semi-waiting because windows 10 will be here soon. but, the crashing is making me want to punch old people. IMARANGER wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:40pm: Pretty sure that the fact that a service can be hacked doesn't make it the "community chest".
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zoriaan Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 105 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2016	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #21 - Sep 8^th, 2016 at 5:03am	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 10:29pm: Re: Warlock balancing � Asheras wrote Yesterday at 9:06pm: Yeah, cause without that 1% of the game population that is power gamers it would be very lonely and empty.� Lol.� Normally, you'd be right.� That's if the game had a reasonably healthy population. After the fiasco with the datacenter move lag though, it has been getting harder and harder to fill raids with enough quality players to shortman EE raids.� I kid you not, we had a pure wizard running in LD destiny with 700ish HP join our LFMs for EE raids last night and then complained because he died a lot. A few extra hardcore players missing from each night's LFMs will be noticeable and possibly the difference between the raids being run on hard/elite instead of gimping it through on normal for the completion.� Once it drops below being able to consistently run raids on EH/EE, more hardcore gamers will get bored and leave.� When that happens, the sheep will be standing around bitching about the lack of epic LFMs and demanding that the d This is true...Cannith is a ghost town raid wise, other than the one, maybe two static LE raid grps that don't post LFM's. And exactly as DigiMonk said, if you dont let 700hp wizards in LD into your LE raid grp they cry like little babies and blame you for being elitist etc etc... I kid you not one of my guildies joined a LH shroud LFM a while ago..all capped lvl 30 toons...they had 35 deaths in part 1...without this XXX % of power gamers no raids will be run on even Legendary Hard, I am sure of it....


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Farmer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Dharma! Posts: 117 Joined: Aug 26^th, 2016	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #22 - Sep 8^th, 2016 at 6:08am	Print Post
	Quote: blahblahblah leading the kill count blahblahblah Just get rid of the kill count and every whiner can have a boner over their imagined greatness. Whatever build they use.


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Mokune Shroud Slacker Offline Gimped Hairless Ape Posts: 1115 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #23 - Sep 8^th, 2016 at 7:03am	Print Post
	Farmer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2016 at 6:08am: Just get rid of the kill count and every whiner can have a boner over their imagined greatness. Whatever build they use. Best Fucking Idea EVAHHHHHH

	Welcome to your sexually transmitted death sentence served in a shit-machine meat suit.
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LurkYouRongTime Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 58 Joined: Jun 4^th, 2016	Re: Warlock balancing :) Reply #24 - Sep 8^th, 2016 at 7:22am	Print Post
	Farmer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2016 at 6:08am: Just get rid of the kill count and every whiner can have a boner over their imagined greatness. Whatever build they use. Yes!!! ^^^^^


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