Bigjunk wrote on Sep 26^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

I have not tried kensei after the changes, and the next lama after the melee tests was all ranged tests. 40 melee power from the patch on live really pushed kensei dps. probably equal to or better than tempests.

for melee : monk wolf, rogue wolf, and kensei wolf were all low 40s to mid 30s. the usual fighter/ranger tier 5 tempest wolf was also ahead of rangers, pally, and barbs. But it was behind the monk, rogue, or kensei tier 5 wolf versions.

a pure pally would be well behind tempest and barb if it couldnt stack dm/kta and also triple boost through vanguard/haste/human dmg combo. And I did not try pally kensei tier 5 or pally tempest tier 5. those should be significantly more than a pure pally.

As for fastest time period : it is fury aa. neko recorded a 17 second kill on his furyshot burst. for a faster kill it would be pure ranger because helf shadow arrow doesnt work for some reason. probably for the best though as that would allow for more dps than just plain 20 ranger anyway.

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2016 at 5:57am:


RL equivalency:

You are arguing with a guy(Fred) about who is the better basketball player.  You both know a guy (Bob).   Sure playing one on one, head to head would be one option, but for our scenario, that's not possible. (Because PvP is so unbalanced).   

So you say:  Play Bob one v. one, video it and post the score of who wins.  You can play them as many times as you want.  Just post a video of your best game against them.  I will play the same guy and post my video.  Whoever has the best game is the better ball player.

Response from Fred:  Nah.  How about I take a red eye flight across the country and show up at the gym on 2 hours sleep with jet lag and the two of us play Bob and Tim in 2 on 2.  Assuming we win, whichever of us scores more baskets is the better player. 

How dumb does Fred sound?  Pretty fucking stupid.  A team PvE environment introduces a bunch of other variables (such as passing, screening, rolling, switching defense, rebounding, coordination) that don't show in the "how many buckets did each guy score" stat and focusing on just that one stat will result in a lower performance for the team due to selfish playstyle choices that are unnatural and counter-productive to PvE.  All you would really prove is which guy is the bigger ball hog and douche-y teammate.  Sure he has to have some skill to make the buckets but it really doesn't mean he was a better player than the other guy on his team. 

The same is true in the "let's run the same quest together and let the kill count decide who is better" scenario.

The timed solo run isolates all extraneous factors and only shows your individual capabilities in a PvE scenario.  It is the better gauge of the build DPS.  Period. 

It doesn't matter that binary has to do all the work or is putting himself at a huge disadvantage.  What matters is that he is choosing a poor evaluation method that proves nothing.  So it is stupid on multiple fronts.  I agree with Rubbinns.  Why engage in something that is doubly stupid?  No point. 

OldCoaly wrote on Sep 26^th, 2016 at 5:48am:


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Newbin3:16 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:


if you mean 2-4 levels of monk in a multiclass

Newbin3:16 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2016 at 11:56am:


You sir are probably right, but not every class has leap-frogged what cam previously when updated.

yeah  Bard < Pally < Barbarian . . . but melee-rogue isn't that hot.   Tempest out DPS what came before them, but fighters don't out DPS tempest.

But Monk is a pay class.   

Time will tell.

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

only slightly more than your posts in this thread