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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #50 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 11:43am	Print Post
	FranOhmsford wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 11:16am: I would have ran THAT Reaper maybe once a month, maybe irregularly when friends logged on and wanted to run it - I won't run THIS Reaper, because it's just a Grind! You think that they would have invested the time and effort to build a new difficulty that people run irregularly. Maybe once a month. Lol. The only way a new difficulty gets built is if it will be run daily by a decent portion of the player base. There was enough evidence that a "no reward, just challenge" system was not of interest to enough players that they needed to add a carrot. Or just not bother. They didn't even add much of a carrot. The power in the reaper trees is nominal. But it is a carrot, none the less. It helps that it coincides with racial TR. It is much easier to get reaper XP from 1-20 than from 20-30. Also, the R10 runs I've seen are just resource guzzling rez-fests. There's not much you can do if you are selling mana pots and rezzes and rest shrines to prevent a completion. A real R10 completion is a no deaths run. Or a run with fewer deaths than there are party members. Even then, due to the variable nature of champ spawning and reaper spawning, you can get "lucky runs" where you just don't face that many, or face them at the right times, on the right type of mob, in the right room, etc.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #51 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 11:49am	Print Post
	FranOhmsford wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 11:16am: I won't run THIS Reaper, because it's just a Grind! Please name something that you do in DDO that is not some form of grind. Aren't you always leveling a character or grinding materials, loot, etc? Stop acting like a grind is some huge negative. You have been grinding stuff in DDO for years. Now suddenly that is offensive? Maybe you meant to say: It is a grind that I feel is too long for too little reward. That's a valid complaint. But to say "Oh no. How dare you subject me to a grind!" After years of grinding and grinding. You just sound stupid.


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bob the builder Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 772 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2011	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #52 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	FranOhmsford wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 11:16am: FFS! No Reaper was not designed for me! But it seems it also wasn't designed to provide that "extreme challenge" so many people seemed to want! If it had been there wouldn't be any R10 Completions yet! There would barely be any R7 Completions and most players would still be happy to run Elite whereas I now can't get a group together for Elite BB Heroic Gianthold Walkups! Now Elite BB GH Walkups I have no problems with on most of my characters but I do still have some characters that do need a little help there! {And a lot more help for Vale, RR, Shav etc.!}. It's even worse in Epics where Dailies are now becoming R1 too because everyone needs their ludicrous grind RXP! Currently we have a lot of players trying to get low and mid tier Reaper reduced in difficulty {R1 is already easier than Elite to Casters but yeah!} - I DON'T WANT THAT! I'm on your side here - I want you to have an "Extreme Challenge" difficulty! I just don't want you ONLY running that - It should be something you set up a weekly or monthly group for - Something you don't do all the time! Because all the time = Eventually {with DDO that's usually sooner rather than later too} it just goes back to being a boring grind! I would have ran THAT Reaper maybe once a month, maybe irregularly when friends logged on and wanted to run it - I won't run THIS Reaper, because it's just a Grind! Reaper 1 is only slightly more difficult than Elite, and you get more XP than a regular elite streak (with bonus of reaper XP). So, just join the R1 streak groups instead of "sticking to your guns" that it is too hard. don't jump in front of the group and don't go off on your own, and you'll be fine in those groups. Your beliefs that they are so many "absolutes" in this game makes you appear stubborn and/or stupid and/or unwilling to learn anything new or different than what you've known in the past.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #53 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 4:49pm	Print Post
	bob the builder wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Reaper 1 is only slightly more difficult than Elite, and you get more XP than a regular elite streak (with bonus of reaper XP). So, just join the R1 streak groups instead of "sticking to your guns" that it is too hard.� don't jump in front of the group and don't go off on your own, and you'll be fine in those groups. Your beliefs that they are so many "absolutes" in this game makes you appear stubborn and/or stupid and/or unwilling to learn anything new or different than what you've known in the past. R1 is easier than E/EE in some ways. In particular, if you've acquired a few of the Reaper enhancements they help a bit. The spell point gems are a big bonus if you're a blue bar user. With the increased XP bonus, R1 is well worth it. I can't really see a reason to run Elite/EE any more.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #54 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	FranOhmsford wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 11:16am: FFS! No Reaper was not designed for me! But it seems it also wasn't designed to provide that "extreme challenge" so many people seemed to want! If it had been there wouldn't be any R10 Completions yet! There would barely be any R7 Completions and most players would still be happy to run Elite whereas I now can't get a group together for Elite BB Heroic Gianthold Walkups! Now Elite BB GH Walkups I have no problems with on most of my characters but I do still have some characters that do need a little help there! {And a lot more help for Vale, RR, Shav etc.!}. It's even worse in Epics where Dailies are now becoming R1 too because everyone needs their ludicrous grind RXP! Currently we have a lot of players trying to get low and mid tier Reaper reduced in difficulty {R1 is already easier than Elite to Casters but yeah!} - I DON'T WANT THAT! I'm on your side here - I want you to have an "Extreme Challenge" difficulty! I just don't want you ONLY running that - It should be something you set up a weekly or monthly group for - Something you don't do all the time! Because all the time = Eventually {with DDO that's usually sooner rather than later too} it just goes back to being a boring grind! I would have ran THAT Reaper maybe once a month, maybe irregularly when friends logged on and wanted to run it - I won't run THIS Reaper, because it's just a Grind! LOL.� I predicted this quite accurately. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1486412642/24#24 Digimonk wrote on Feb 7^th, 2017 at 3:50pm: A month or two ago when Reaper hit Lama, our guild had a lively discussion about it.� I predicted that it would be exciting for most at first but in the end would only serve to further divide the haves from the have nots in DDO.� Power gamers will be fine.� They'll just Reaper with their powergamer friends/guilds or solo missions on low to mid skull Reaper. Casuals on the other hand won't be welcomed into the high-skull Reaper runs because they'd just be a handicap.� �They generally won't have the gear, past lives and min/max'd builds to solo EE/LE/low skull Reaper.� They might normally be fine just running non-Reaper like they have in the past, but now the pool of powergamers that have helped/carried them through EE/LE will be MIA because they're busy running Reaper.� This will lead to increased wait times for LFMs to fill and as a result, increased boredom and frustration with the game.


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no. DQ Assaulter Offline Just no. Posts: 454 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #55 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 5:12pm	Print Post
	FranOhmsford wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 11:16am: FFS! No Reaper was not designed for me! But it seems it also wasn't designed to provide that "extreme challenge" so many people seemed to want! If it had been there wouldn't be any R10 Completions yet! There would barely be any R7 Completions and most players would still be happy to run Elite whereas I now can't get a group together for Elite BB Heroic Gianthold Walkups! Now Elite BB GH Walkups I have no problems with on most of my characters but I do still have some characters that do need a little help there! {And a lot more help for Vale, RR, Shav etc.!}. It's even worse in Epics where Dailies are now becoming R1 too because everyone needs their ludicrous grind RXP! Currently we have a lot of players trying to get low and mid tier Reaper reduced in difficulty {R1 is already easier than Elite to Casters but yeah!} - I DON'T WANT THAT! I'm on your side here - I want you to have an "Extreme Challenge" difficulty! I just don't want you ONLY running that - It should be something you set up a weekly or monthly group for - Something you don't do all the time! Because all the time = Eventually {with DDO that's usually sooner rather than later too} it just goes back to being a boring grind! I would have ran THAT Reaper maybe once a month, maybe irregularly when friends logged on and wanted to run it - I won't run THIS Reaper, because it's just a Grind! Sorry, but SSG screwed you. Get on board with Reaper, even just an R1 speed run, or be prepared to solo. Had they set the rXP for the enhancement tree at more reasonable levels, I'd be glad to hop in your E BB whatever run. But because I'll be on this wheel longer than I'll be on the racial TR wheel, I will exclusively be playing Reaper for the foreseeable future. Especially when I can solo it on R1 anyway...


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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #56 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	How much more grind can they squeeze out of people will be the real test. You can only squeeze a lemon so hard and so long before there's no more juice. I'm not sure how much more grind the general populace has in them, especially when there is no need for all that grind to do the highest end content.


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Ah Pook Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 314159265 Posts: 1439 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2014	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #57 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 5:31pm: How much more grind can they squeeze out of people will be the real test.� You can only squeeze a lemon so hard and so long before there's no more juice. Gender Reincarnations.� Or hair, maybe.� � "You were a red-headed chick in your past life.� You hated yourself, but you've mostly gotten over it.� Three times per rest, you can apply a Vicious affect to your main hand weapon."

	Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:52pm: I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake. Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 8:32am: Laugh it up, funny man.
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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #58 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	Ah Pook wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 5:43pm: Gender Reincarnations.� Or hair, maybe.� � "You were a red-headed chick in your past life.� You hated yourself, but you've mostly gotten over it.� Three times per rest, you can apply a Vicious affect to your main hand weapon." "You were a stereotypical blond in your past life. Three times per rest you give a handjob to the barbarian behind a stack of barrels."

	Instant asshole. Just add alcohol.
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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #59 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	"You were an entitled, butt-hurt, forum-dwelling twat waffle in your past life. Three times per rest you create a sock."

	Instant asshole. Just add alcohol.
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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #60 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	Maybe they'll do obnoxious forum identity past lives: "In your past life you were a bizarre miscegenation of exclamation points and capitalization. Three times per rest you are surprised by the interaction of poor gaming skills and odd build choices." "In your past life you felt the need to remind everyone that Wisconsin was the birthplace of D&D. Three times per rest you can emit an Aura of Smugness, increasing hate by over 9000!" "In your past life you were barely readable. Three times per rest, You are able To cause trash mobs to stop And try to figure out what the fuck You're trying to accomplish." Etc

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Ah Pook Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 314159265 Posts: 1439 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2014	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #61 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	spathic wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 6:33pm: "In your past life you were a bizarre miscegenation of exclamation points and capitalization. Three times per rest you are surprised by the interaction of poor gaming skills and odd build choices." I like this one. "Every level, one random quest may only be entered on Reaper 5 or higher."

	Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:52pm: I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake. Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 8:32am: Laugh it up, funny man.
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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #62 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 8:27pm	Print Post
	spathic wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 6:33pm: "In your past life you were a bizarre miscegenation of exclamation points and capitalization. Three times per rest you are surprised by the interaction of poor gaming skills and odd build choices." Banner.

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Beer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 174 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2017	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #63 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:01pm	Print Post
	"In your past life you were Teh_Troll, but now you appear to be Mr. Helmet. Three times per rest your nipples disappear until you feast on the corpse of a halfling infidel, granting you a bonus to dick size."
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Beer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 174 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2017	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #64 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	spathic wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 6:33pm: Maybe they'll do obnoxious forum identity past lives: "In your past life you were a bizarre miscegenation of exclamation points and capitalization. Three times per rest you are surprised by the interaction of poor gaming skills and odd build choices." "In your past life you felt the need to remind everyone that Wisconsin was the birthplace of D&D. Three times per rest you can emit an Aura of Smugness, increasing hate by over 9000!" "In your past life you were barely readable. Three times per rest, You are able To cause trash mobs to stop And try to figure out what the fuck You're trying to accomplish." Etc

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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #65 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 5:31pm: How much more grind can they squeeze out of people will be the real test.� You can only squeeze a lemon so hard and so long before there's no more juice. I'm not sure how much more grind the general populace has in them, especially when there is no need for all that grind to do the highest end content. Yes, they killed the golden egg chicken. Sound grind made them money, now drive players out. I have 3 friends who ran a bunch of TRs back to back since a couple weeks after U34... now all quitted and log only to do a quest per week.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #66 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 2:33pm	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 5:31pm: You can only squeeze a lemon so hard and so long before there's no more juice. Indeed and it appears SSG isn't making any real effort to get more lemons.

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Beer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 174 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2017	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #67 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Indeed and it appears SSG isn't making any real effort to get more lemons. the fucking who panel is still broken might be kinda distressing for LFMs to appear blank to a new player on korthos, yay a bug front and center stopping an MMO from helping to fucking group

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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #68 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Indeed and it appears SSG isn't making any real effort to get more lemons. We're looking at after Ravenloft, probably the third quarter of 2018 for the lemon pass.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #69 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	Beer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 2:50pm: the fucking who panel is still broken� � might be kinda distressing for LFMs to appear blank to a new player on korthos, yay a bug front and center stopping an MMO from helping to fucking group ssg no fucking idea how to make social grouping a thing. their best idea was group bonus xp. It's sad! the real reason players get addicted to MMOs are because of the social interaction. No one plays skyrim for 6 years. straight.

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Ah Pook Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 314159265 Posts: 1439 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2014	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #70 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 3:36pm: No one plays skyrim for 6 years. straight. Hey man.�

	Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:52pm: I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake. Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 8:32am: Laugh it up, funny man.
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5986 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #71 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	the modding community for skyrim may be larger than DDO's player base lol Brodual and MxR (or whatever the fuck he's called) are probably making over 50k a a year for the past few years making youtube videos. Like ~300,000 views per video
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	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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The Grandest of Fellows Titan Demolisher Offline Hail Friends! Posts: 399 Location: Grand was inside us all along Joined: Jul 6^th, 2020	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #72 - Apr 27^th, 2023 at 8:31pm	Print Post
	spathic wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 6:33pm: Maybe they'll do obnoxious forum identity past lives: "In your past life you were a bizarre miscegenation of exclamation points and capitalization. Three times per rest you are surprised by the interaction of poor gaming skills and odd build choices." "In your past life you felt the need to remind everyone that Wisconsin was the birthplace of D&D. Three times per rest you can emit an Aura of Smugness, increasing hate by over 9000!" "In your past life you were barely readable. Three times per rest, You are able To cause trash mobs to stop And try to figure out what the fuck You're trying to accomplish." Etc *Strake's daily news brought me here, glorious thread!*

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9183 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Another terrible design decision? Reply #73 - Apr 28^th, 2023 at 7:30pm	Print Post
	The Grandest of Fellows wrote on Apr 27^th, 2023 at 8:31pm: *Strake's daily news brought me here, glorious thread!* God damn this was one serious thread-necro.

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