Digimonk wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:


Man speaking of glass cannon. You're ego is on a fucking hair trigger dude. I told you that you were wrong. I didn't say you're retarded, or your mother was a donkey, or that you were bad at DDO.

Your refutation of my assertion that I can outkill cheeselocks in 18+ quests was to simply suggest I was lying. Why would I lie about that? Moreover, where's your proof that I haven't or that these builds can't do that? You don't have the benefit of the doubt, I do.

I've run 7 RR's since I was last capped, and the first 3 were thrower builds (12monk/6Ranger). Once I have IPS, 10k, Greensteel/eStar shuri's, ~70'ish AP, cannith crafted/rand gen twink gear, Litany, frozen tunic, gilvs set, haste pots, (and so on), I was consistently outkilling my Warlocks from my guild and others on Khyber. GOOs, Fiends, and Feys. Most of them had just as OP gear and similiar PLs/EPLs, tomes, etc.

I urge you to try if since you're so interested in shuri builds as you claim.

36 DwS
11 NsP
24 AA
1 Helf/Human
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72 AP

You can have 50-56 Dex pretty easily at level 18. I imagine with everything including more temp buffs you could even hit 60+. That along with 20%+(Killer:20)% Doubleshot in DwS, and up to 3/6/10% Doubleshot PL. You can wear up to Doubleshot +6 gear if you can find or craft it. +2 from ship. You're looking at about 2.5 shuri per throw before 10k. During 10k that goes to over 3 per throw. With Haste and 18BaB from Tensers (and Gilvs if you have it, I do) you are actually throwing pretty fast.

When you hit 10k, and RP Boost, then Sniper Shot>Head Shot>Aimed Shot>Sniper Shot (with 7d8 Elemental arrows * ~120 spellpower per shuri + SA damage) you kill virtually any pack of mobs in any ml18-19 content people are running right now doing rr's. If you're good with IPS and work at it, you will outkill anyone.

It's completely disgusting. Now get off my lawn.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:


He states all of heroics and into lower level epics. You say at level 18 and higher.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

My Ego?  I'm not the one that shitposts in every thread with a shuri build using a Capt. Obvious class and AP layout claiming they copied me and should thank me and tell me how great I am.

I never said you were lying.  You probably do out kill some warlocks.  I said you were either using an exception trying to disprove the rule or you are running with some mediocre warlocks. 

I ran a shuri with a very similar AP layout right after I ran a warlock PL.  I use all the gear you listed except the Gilvanors set.  The shuri did fine at 18+ but my warlock still cleared faster until upper epics.  I'm not saying shuri builds suck at 18+, I'm just saying they aren't kings of the hill until mid to upper epics.

The warlock sequence is Spirit Blast --> Eldritch burst --> (aura tic somewhere in there) --> oops, mobs are usuaully dead.  No more buttons needed.  2 button kills are faster than 3-5 button kills.  As an added bonus, you can throw in a meta'd Evard's while you charge towards the horde if needed.  The mobs don't have to be lined up nicely like they do for IPS. 

I think shuri builds require more skill and are more fun than warlocks, but a proper auralock is a face-melting AE bomb in mid heroics through mid epics.  Warlocks start slowing down in upper epics and/or higher skull reaper once mobs get enough HPs to take more than one round of aura tics, spirit blast and eldritch burst due to the cooldowns.   That's when shuris start pulling ahead since they can autoattack while waiting on cooldown timers. 


P.S.  Not sure why you're not using Merciful Shot in your rotation after Sniper Shot --> Head Shot since that combo will generally have mobs in SA mode and below half health at that point. 

Merciful Shot - Deals +3[W] damage. On Sneak Attack: If the target is below 50% health, deal 500 damage. This damage scales with 100% Ranged Power.

Digimonk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 1:57pm:


Typo. I use Merciful Shot, constantly.

Revaulting wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:


You guys should get together and neurotically twitch and panic attack with one another

Rubbinns wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

if you had a dating life?

For months that same conversation was happening. Except it was going in a cycle of Hags, Grand, Forrest or synonyms.

spathic wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

harharharhar wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 2:17pm:

This is how I know you have no clue how to properly play a warlock.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 2:18pm:

Sure you do.  At least you probably do now...   

harharharhar wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 11:52pm:

See?   This is your problem.  You take this stuff much too seriously.  I was just yanking your chain about Merciful Shot.

I will leave you with this gem though.

harharharhar wrote on Feb 27^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Welcome back Cripey, glad to see you again

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:


This.

At 18, my Mech rampaged through content even my Warlocks struggled with, and while I wasn't gimp, I was by no means optimized.

To the OP, I think Bint had a valid point:

PRR/MRR is valuable, much more so than you might think even in Heroics. MRR is harder to come by, and isn't improved by armour, unlike PRR (unless you take Fighter feats to compensate).

Also valid is that Optimal Gear @ Level > Mediocre PL's.

Slaver's Gear: Grind it out, put it on at Lvl 8, and forget it until Lvl 20 (at least).
ToEE Heroic Weapons: A major chore, but they flatten ALL competition at level by a country mile, and it's a toss up even when Greensteel becomes available. Caster sticks are also great value for Sorcs and Warlocks.

These are huge return on your time investment long term. Hours spent here save days or weeks of frustration later on.

If you're running reaper for the max XP/ rXP, you'll be wanting to prioritize Heal Amp as well, and more HPs.

That leaves you with:

• Paladin: +10 Hamp per life x3
• Barbarian: +10 HP per life x3
• Warlock: +3 MRR per life x3
• PDK: +3 PRR & Rallying Cry Speed Boost per life, x3
• Deep Gnome: +3 MRR & +1 Illusion DC to spells you cast and +5 Acid Spell Power per life, x3
• Divine PL: Brace- +1 Saves & +3 PRR per past life, x3

Those PLs are useful no matter what class/race you're using, and then you can tailor your other PL's to whatever play style you prefer... eg. Monk PLs for Melee Damage, Ranger for Ranged Damage, Martial ePLs for AC... etc. etc.

I personally prioritize the past lives that are universal first, like racial CON, and then whichever ones I like LEAST so that they're done forever (Fuck You, Halfling PLs!)

Arty and Warlock are arguably the fastest way to stampede through Racial TRs, if you can stand the monotony.

In any event, splashing for traps is a good QoL choice that pays dividends in fewer deaths and higher XP/min.

YMMV.

Arganthonius wrote on May 30^th, 2017 at 7:03am:

I don't think you're really missing anything.  That's sort of my take on it, too.

From what I could tell, you'd be much better off to go with a Cannith Crafted gear set template and update it every 5 levels or so.