I played for a long time with Reaper. Shuri attack speed with level drains and Sov Vorp was a joke in reaper

I couldn’t do it.

I mean.. I wasn't MAXING sneak from gear. I was using backstab gloves, deception and imp deception. Plus I had deception on my offhand kama. Not sure that helps.. All the ninja ENH, AND I ran in SD. I saw sneak damage on mobs and the ship dummy, etc.

The main problem for me was the rate of fire. Even hasted with whirling wrists twisted, it was just meh. 10k was good damage but not amazing. In LD with a full blitz, 10k, and haste boost, the damage was above average, but it still wasn't amazing.

Then I switch to melee monk and magically my base dps is probably just as good as my best 10k stars dmg.

So, if I'm missing something, please share. My dex wasn't amazing. But, I have a 4 or 5 tome, completionist, I took all the enhs, full levels, ship, I think a 7 dex item and and a 3 exceptional at that level. So, I mean, I know it would get a lot higher later, but I should have seen something decent, right?

Ki regen? I had all three (ocean stance, contemplation from HM, and the twist from GMOF). I switched to wind stance at times when I didn't need more ki. It wasn't a lot better than ocean + haste.

What else obvious might I be missing? Maybe it's something super obvious. I was spamming falcon attacks pretty regularly. But, I forgot the mass blind one at times.

I definitely utilized IPS as much as practical. I mean, I'm sure I could have been more optimal with it. But, I definitely was trying regularly to hit multiple mobs, lining them up and kiting backward to hit the whole line, etc.

It seemed like it was mainly a rate of fire issue for me or maybe a crappy thrower? I used Lit II, Ash II, Some sonic cormyrian one, and the ML 10 one from Ravenloft which is pretty good. 

ok if melees can do damage now than you can just DPS with the thrower. 14/6 in Fury doesn't seem to have been nerfed at all unless I'm missing something? Although I did here that glass shards was nerfed

enlighten me what I'm missing. Has DPS changed somehow for throwers? Or have melee just been buffed? Before shuri's were very far ahead of melees.

Not really, but the big dumb fat HP buff makes them the new shiny.

. I think we can safely agree that there are at least an equally proportionate number of casuals running a shuri build wrong as there as there are casuals running a melee wrong.

All I'm saying is that they do not lead kills when I raid/quest with them.

It's not. 

If a shuricannon is hitting 2x as fast but for only 1/2 the damage per hit, the chance of getting the kill is the same as another toon hitting 1/2 as fast but for 2x the damage per hit.

Highest DPS is what determines which toon is most likely to get the kill. 

was there any actual buff or debuff outside of melee's getting more HP since Ravenloft came out?

A few melee upgrades and the spite proc nerf.

Spite proc was a large chunk of the dps. It takes less than 10 seconds to fully stack onto a target when using 10K Stars. Depending on the dexterity score and doubleshot.

I remember one of your posts saying something around 7~ stars thrown per attack while under a 10k Stars with a 75 dex? The fix lowered the LD or Shadowdancer times. And the in between cooldown times of fury builds; spite also really hurts.

ah, got it thanks dude. So I never did find someone with a write up of a wisdom thrower using Falconry. Is that still legit? Or was it good and then nerfed from space?

One thing that still is not clear to me: was there any actual buff or debuff outside of melee's getting more HP since Ravenloft came out?